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Diego Rodrigues
@diegomrodz
I am a Brazillian, however I am very into US politics because most of what happens there affects how the politicians here react, so from outside seems that the US is divided in 4: California, the most liberal and globalized, which seams to have the most awesome solutions but It just can't scale that to the rest of the country; New York, the most market-driven people, which seems to only care about finance and money, which has the most influence at the moment and seems that this influence will continue but with some changes to accomadate its objetives with the populist agenda of Trump; Washigton, which don't really know what they are doing, seems that they just want to stay relevant when they don't have that much affect anymore; And the Rest, whcih has been forgotten and now is driven this backlash against the stablishment. I don't know how close this view is from reality, but it seems that until people don't figure out a way to conciliate this different worlds we won't be able to make any real change.
David Ernst
@dsernst
Yeah, that seems pretty insightful
One of the very concerning trends over the last few years and especially the last 6 months is the extreme polarization and division into seemingly separate realities
David Ernst
@dsernst
“Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time—when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.”
Carl Sagan, 1995
Diego Rodrigues
@diegomrodz
Awesome. I am think recently that maybe the problem is more cultural than a economic one. You know, we have constructed our values and system of believes for a long time and now, for about 20 years, everything is changing and is affecting everyone at the same time. Changes that were made in the period of a generation now is made in the period of 5 years, and this trend seems to only get faster and faster. Globalization showed that this changes will only work if they are inclusive, people won't integrate to it without incentive and help. And, if we really wanna change democracy, we should learn from these mistakes. Just throw a new system won't solve anything, this idea that people will see its value right the way is too risk. I believe that it will only work if we introduce into peoples lives not as cultural change, but as a mechanism that allows them to express their cultural identify and political views. The point that I am trying to make is that this technology should be inclusive, being part of the daily life and routine of everyone. Well, I am just worried that if start the movement as a political party people will see it as one competing ideology, when its not.
David Ernst
@dsernst
Yeah, I hear you totally
I was talking with Santiago Siri a few days ago, who started Democracy.Earth and has been working on this stuff for years
Including running candidates for office pledged to a similar system in Buenos Aires
And he was saying that getting people to formally join a new political party is a serious uphill battle
Do you have specific ideas for what "a mechanism that allows them to express their cultural identity" might look like?
Diego Rodrigues
@diegomrodz
Well, I am doing research on how to introduce LD into people's everyday experince on social networks. And, analyzing how people behave on social media, seems that most people are very comfortable sharing their beliefs, cultural identity. Even people that don't like to be vocal about it are willing to participate on polls and such. I belive that the first step to building this mechanism is to give the power to local groups and organizations to structure its power dynamics on a platform that all members fell confortable using. Most people have a intuitive understanding on how power works and how it flows, but they usually don't have quantitative ways of measuring it. Once they start to be part of a system that its familiar and provides this information to them, well, its just a matter of time before it gets into political parties. You see, even conservatives would like to use it, to run their clubs and universities. Disrupting politics without being political.
David Ernst
@dsernst
Yeah, that’s right
A suggestion was proposed in a conversation last night: The liquid_vote app can grade existing politians for how well they align with the network, e.g. identifying the bills where they vote against the majority of their constituents on the network.
Now the suggestion was to do the grade on a curve: among all of the city’s elected officials, what percentile does each reps’ alignment score come in at.
For example, if there are five grades in a particular university course, A, B, C, D, and F, where A is reserved for the top 20% of students, B for the next 30%, C for the next 30%-40%, and D or F for the remaining 10%-20%, then scores in the percentile interval from 0% to 20% will receive a grade of D or F, scores from 21% to 50% will receive a grade of C, scores from 51% to 80% receive a grade of B, and scores from 81% to 100% will achieve a grade of A.
David Ernst
@dsernst
What this means in practice is that all of the politicians are now motivated to one-up each other in doing their best to represent the network
And unlike current politics, this structurally discards the 50% - 50% binary that the US is stuck in.
Right now the story is “The other ’team’ is the bad guys… vote us into office or else! Praise us at all times, and definitely never criticize us, or else you’re helping the enemy”.
David Ernst
@dsernst
The same story is told on both sides :sweat_smile:
Even if a politician really does have the best of intentions, they're incentivized to further divide us, giving them more power.
It’s a vicious cycle we’re stuck in.
David Ernst
@dsernst
Wrote this up into an idea for a draft blog post: liquidvote/blog#37
Diego Rodrigues
@diegomrodz
I see, thats very interesting and provides a good way to hold politicians accountable while we make this transition.
David Ernst
@dsernst
Hey people! Here's a draft of the blurb I'm submitting for the App Store, lmk what you think:

LIQUID Private Beta

Reclaim your voice in government. Hold politicians accountable. Eliminate corruption.

HOW IT WORKS:

  1. Vote directly on San Francisco legislation.
  2. Delegate your representation to real people you know.
  3. Invite your friends to increase your voting power.

POWERED BY Verified Voter Registration.
AUDIT YOUR VOTE, anytime.

David Ernst
@dsernst
Heads up, I’m renaming this room and the accompanying repo from org to general. No action needed on your part, just a PSA
Diego Rodrigues
@diegomrodz
Finnaly I was able to get some free time to start coding the Face Democracy, please, if anyone wants to help feel free to message me. I am really excited to turn this idea into something tangible and a prototype would be the first step. David, thanks for the help in maturing the idea.
Can we trust him?
David Ernst
@dsernst
Exciting about getting some good work in on your project. Always feels good
Yeah I saw the Zuckerberg post and had mixed feelings. It's great that he's talking about taking a more active involvement, god knows he has more resources and reach than almost anyone... but like maybe you're alluding to, he's certainly had his share of controversies.
David Ernst
@dsernst
Hey people, I'm really impressed by GitLab Inc's open-source contribution model. Interested to hear if anyone has any experience or thoughts about it.
Pretty awesome that they've been able to facilitate 1000 open-source contributions, while still building a reliable, open-source, and free product for so many years
and still able to employ over 100 talented people: https://about.gitlab.com/team/
Diego Rodrigues
@diegomrodz
Very interesting talk
David Ernst
@dsernst
Thx for sharing, looking forward to watching
Connor Flexman
@ConnorFlexman_twitter
Hi-
I'm a research assistant for the Democracy Defense Fund, working on sourcing startups and nonprofits for small grants. Do any of you know of funding-constrained projects working to push liquid democracy in the US? I think we're stuck with grantmaking to American entities at the moment, but good projects abroad are worth mentioning too.
Thanks
David Ernst
@dsernst
Hi Connor, thanks for posting
Yes, I have lots of details for you, will follow up 1-on-1
FYI channel— new blog post: "How to move past a two-party system" https://blog.liquid.vote/2017/03/06/how-to-move-past-two-parties/
David Ernst
@dsernst
@all: Big news! An initial version of the Liquid app (native iOS) is now ready!
Still a lot more polish work necessary before going for a wide release, but if your interested in trying out this first functional version, I’d love to get it into your hands and hear any suggestions or criticisms that come up for you :smile:
You can sign up to download the private beta here: https://beta.liquid.vote
David Ernst
@dsernst
New reddit forum: https://www.reddit.com/r/liquidvote/ — A good place to ask questions, or start discussions.
Jon-Envisioneer
@Jon-Envisioneer
hi
David Ernst
@dsernst
Hi Jon
Jon-Envisioneer
@Jon-Envisioneer
I wonder who are the target customers of Liquid Democracy.