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bfredl
@bfredl:matrix.org
[m]
(and not what they themselves claimed the design was in various blog posts)
Yorick Peterse
@yorickpeterse:matrix.org
[m]
OK my hack sort of works, but this reeks of racyness
e.g. if a format request sticks its head around the corner between the initial defer and presentation, things still get messed up
Mathias
@mfussenegger:matrix.org
[m]
Anyways - reading recommendation for today: https://cr.yp.to/bib/1995/wirth.pdf
mjlbach
@atrius:matrix.org
[m]
Is neovim getting more or less complex?
How many LOC is cscope
Can we sacrifice it on the altar of progress
Yorick Peterse
@yorickpeterse:matrix.org
[m]
333 475 lines in src
clason
@clason:matrix.org
[m]
only if we get rid of filetype.vim
Yorick Peterse
@yorickpeterse:matrix.org
[m]
fun fact: GitLab somehow manages to have about 2x the lines
what on earth do we need 600K lines for...
bfredl
@bfredl:matrix.org
[m]
also indent_c.c not yet but some day.
Mathias
@mfussenegger:matrix.org
[m]
speaking of fleet - what are your thoughts on the trend toward remote editing & runtime in container thing?
mjlbach
@atrius:matrix.org
[m]
I like it
I develop in containers a lot
Mathias
@mfussenegger:matrix.org
[m]
why?
bfredl:matrix.org @bfredl:matrix.org still remembers fleet as twitter's reimplementation of instastories
Yorick Peterse
@yorickpeterse:matrix.org
[m]
Not sure how I feel about it. Isolating things is nice, but I feel this trend is more about money
"hey you use our editor, now sign up for our container service while you're at it"
mjlbach
@atrius:matrix.org
[m]
For me, because I do gpu compute which requires often working with multiple annoying hard to coexist proprietary libraries
So I have multiple vulkan/cuda containers for various projects
Mathias
@mfussenegger:matrix.org
[m]
Isn't nix supposed to solve that? :)
mjlbach
@atrius:matrix.org
[m]
I’m gradually using nix less and less
I find toolbox/podman to be less of a hassle
Especially toolbox
Mathias
@mfussenegger:matrix.org
[m]
Doesn't it make some stuff unnecessary hard?
Like if you want to debug a process - having that isolution and all seems to just get in the way?
mjlbach
@atrius:matrix.org
[m]
Not really
I just debug within the container and enable sys_ptrace
Mathias
@mfussenegger:matrix.org
[m]
so the debug tools are in the container as well?
mjlbach
@atrius:matrix.org
[m]
Yes
voldial
@voldial:libera.chat
[m]
just updated neomake because I am tring to get flake8 to use my config file @ ~/.config/flake8 https://bpa.st/6WOQ but no luck, it's still complaining about E116 (for example). How do I see what commands neomake is executing?
Yorick Peterse
@yorickpeterse:matrix.org
[m]
Bah, my version check hack doesn't seem to work as well as I'd hoped
I guess it's back to the occasional flickering 😓
voldial
@voldial:libera.chat
[m]
I can trigger it with ":Neomake flake8", but unless I go try to catch the process with other means, is there a debug output?
PortableDave
@PortableDave:libera.chat
[m]
mjlbach: what OS? I have to use a mac for work, I just find docker cooks the machine
mjlbach
@atrius:matrix.org
[m]
Linux
I use podman sometimes on MacOS but it’s really qemu
PortableDave
@PortableDave:libera.chat
[m]
ah, yeh I had a much better experience with docker workflow on my laptop with fedora on, but client requirments dictate mac unfortunately
duktus
@duktus:matrix.org
[m]

Especially toolbox

I am very interested in this, do you just install everything like lsps, neovim, etc. into a project toolbox or do you have a generic toolbox? Or anything similar to Remote-Containers in vscode?

mjlbach
@atrius:matrix.org
[m]
The former
duktus
@duktus:matrix.org
[m]
nice, i will have to try this
voldial
@voldial:libera.chat
[m]
got it, g:neomake_verbose = 3
barronpm
@barronpm:matrix.barronpm.com
[m]

So I haven't ever gotten really good at using an editor before, the closest I've gotten is VSCode, where I know the basic keyboard shortcuts to do things like multi-cursor, selecting words, etc.
Are there any good resources for learning the different ways you can interact w/ nvim?

I've started using the tutor but I'm finding it hard to sit down and memorize all of the commands it teaches.

bew
@bew:matrix.org
[m]
barronpm: quick search I see: https://yannesposito.com/Scratch/en/blog/Learn-Vim-Progressively/ which seems nice to start slow.
although its visual for the gifs is really close to invisible :/
smolck
@shadowwolf_01:matrix.org
[m]
vim-galore is a nice resource as well, might be helpful
gpanders
@gpanders:matrix.org
[m]
I’ve heard good things about https://vim-adventures.com
barronpm
@barronpm:matrix.barronpm.com
[m]
Thanks, I'll check those out
dre
@dre:libera.chat
[m]
barronpm, important bit to remember is to get enough to get you going, then progressively learn the rest :)
maverun
@maverun:matrix.org
[m]
yeah nice story