These are chat archives for nightscout/intend-to-bolus

27th
May 2016
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 00:00
Congrats!
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 00:05
still can't find my errors I can suspend/resume pump from ssh, etc., get reports on pump and cgm, but cannot get the phrasing right for the ns-status line of the Nightscout upload of the pump.
Michael Sluis
@binaryrefinery
May 27 2016 00:09
I'm on it! Thank you @danamlewis 🍾
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 00:09
:+1:
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 00:13
quick question as I run off to dinner - cheap containers for rigs? I just picked up a monster sized tic-tac container for my edison rig. It's good (slides into pockets) but still about 40% too big...other suggestions on cheap mass produced containers? :+1:
Spazholio @Spazholio eagerly awaits an answer to this...
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 00:50
@tazitoo Is it the large rounded ticktac box? Something like 3.4oz? I've got the more square 1.7oz on the way, into which I will try to fit an edison rig.
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 00:57
I was thinking that I would 3d print a new top to hold the various boards in place. Like the smaller tic box used for the xdrip.
Dan Piessens
@dpiessens
May 27 2016 01:55
@tazitoo @eluhrs I have a friend who's working on a 3D container for me. Design is based on an Edison and TI stick
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JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 02:08
@binaryrefinery 🎉💪👍Congratulations!!
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 02:20
Now that I switched to the Slice of Radio, it looks like I’m smuggling a Cylon in my carrying case. Soooooo much red.
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 02:21
:-D
How is the range with the SOR @Spazholio ?
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:23
@JaysonEwer - I tested early on to about 26' and then I ran out of room in my house
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 02:23
@loudestnoise I am having the hardest time trying to get the pump to read to the nightscout page.
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:23
definitely limited by CGM range on BT
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 02:23
Sweet
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:23
:+1:
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 02:24
@JaysonEwer Well, it’s the same as the ERF module, so it’s not bad. I tend to keep it on me anyway, so range hasn’t been an issue. The only issue I’ve found so far is that my Pi case doesn’t quite fit with it on. =)
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:25
@eluhrs - yeah - sounds about right - I peeled the label off so I can't tell...the hostname is 'ernie' (from Sesame Street) - so when the SoR lights up, it's orange like the character
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 02:25
Good to know. What are you doing with your TI?
@Spazholio ^^
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:25
@dpiessens - I'd be interested in the CAD for the design if you could share it
I just learned today that there is a 3D printer down the hall from me
<slaps forehead - pops in another tic-tac>
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:26
@dpiessens I just finished design of an Edison/TI case. You can find the files here: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1525618
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:27
I also ordered some silicone coated wire based on @eluhrs suggestions - so maybe some resoldering in my future (the rig is edison + SoR + lipo) - and then CAD to 3D printer
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:27
I've got some ideas for how to reduce the size a bit, and I'm planning to make a version for ERF as soon as my boards arrive. Swapping out the TI should provide enough space to add xDrip hardware in the same size case.
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 02:27
@eluhrs does your case have a top to it?
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:27
It does now. :)
Dan Piessens
@dpiessens
May 27 2016 02:28
Oh cool @eluhrs my friend just started so I'll give it a try thanks!
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 02:28
Do you have an image with the top in place?
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:28
I spent forever getting the tray right. The lid took just a few small revisions.
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tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:30
@eluhrs - looks nice!
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:31
Thanks! There are some more pics on the thingiverse page.
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 02:31
Cool, thanks, I like it.
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:33
Thanks, @JaysonEwer . I'm pleased with how it turned out. I'm too OCD to live with a bunch of boards rattling around in a box....
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:33
Nice pictures on the thingiverse site...guessing STL to CAD is pretty straightforward?
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:33
Not sure. This is the first thing I've designed.
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:34
does not look like a rookie design
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:34
They give several download options when you click one of the links.
Well, I consider the OCD thing a plus, not a minus. :)
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 02:35
👍
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:35
ha! download for Minecraft! I love it
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:35
So does my daughter. :)
tazitoo
@tazitoo
May 27 2016 02:37
I'll have to stare a bit at the photos and the CAD to make sense of it...but I like the use of standoffs to support the boards...
<head grows heavy - bed time calls>
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 02:41
@JaysonEwer I’m sure I’ll find a use for it. As it stands, once I get a shipment in the mail, I’ll have the following: Edison+Sparkfun, Edison+ERF, Pi3+SoR, Pi3+TI.
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:44
@Spazholio This stuff is so addictive... I'm not even done with v2 and I'm already thinking about v3.
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 02:45
Oh, my wife is SO thrilled. =)
I’m certainly considering picking up some of your designs though. Where would you recommend going to purchase 3D printed stuff? The college I work at has some 3D printers, but I’m unsure of their quality.
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:48
I'd start there. That's how I got started. Our library bought a printer to experiment and I basically took it over. Even a bad print should be enough to determine if it will work for you. If you can't get a good print, let me know and I'll mail you one.
Matt Pazoles
@Pazoles
May 27 2016 02:48
Hi all! The cc-debugger finally came today in the mail and just ran my first suggested.json report and wanted to share in the excitement :)
This is for my wife who is currently using a Tandem pump. I'm sure others here have similar experiences going back to an older pump, but we're wondering what it was like for people during the testing/setup phase. Did you switch back and forth between pumps, or just take the plunge and start using Medtronic full time even when the system wasn't looping?
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 02:54
Hey @Pazoles! Personally, I’ve always been with a Medtronic pump, so I just jumped in as soon as I got a compatible one. That’s sorta how I do things though. =)
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 02:59
@Pazoles I have been using my OpenAPS since the very first night I tested it, but that's only about 3-4 months. It is a big improvement. She won't want to go back to the newer pump.
Matt Pazoles
@Pazoles
May 27 2016 03:00
Thanks! I kind of figured that'd be the case
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 03:03
Hey @Pazoles , that's awesome. I'm looking forward to meeting you and your wife at the meetup! My wife and I are hosting it at our humble abode. :-). I was an Animas user for 10+ years, switched to Medtronic for the
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 03:03
My reservoirs used to last 3 days, but now they’re lasting closer to 5. I’ve barely had to bolus (but I eat almost no carbs, so that’s not too hard). But OpenAPS has definitely been helping with that.
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 03:05
@JaysonEwer Is that the DC-area meetup? I was thinking about making the trip. What time of day is it?
@Spazholio Funny. I've had the exact opposite experience. My reservoirs were lasting 5 days, now they are lasting 3. But my BGs are a lot better. Also, I've been eating more carbs than usual.
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 03:07
Are you using AMA and auto-sens?
Matt Pazoles
@Pazoles
May 27 2016 03:08
@JaysonEwer - can't wait! Thanks for hosting! Not sure if we have all the details for it yet though - is there somewhere we can find the info?
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 03:08
Just auto-sens. I haven't figured AMA out yet.
Brooke Pazoles
@PazolesBrooke_twitter
May 27 2016 03:12
Hello everyone! I'm the wife @Pazoles mentioned. Can't wait to meet all you smart people next week!
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 03:17
@eluhrs If you’d like, I’ve got AMA set up. No promises that I know how the hell I did it, but I’d be happy to help you out tomorrow if you’d like to dig into it.
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 03:22
@Spazholio Thanks very much. I'll definitely have some questions for you at some point. Not sure that I'll get to it tomorrow since I'm still trying to port everything over to the smaller edison rig.
Jason Calabrese
@jasoncalabrese
May 27 2016 03:56
Many of the sets have compatable clips, so you can swap pumps of you want, we did that for a while before we started sending OpenAPS to school
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 03:57
Compatible clips?
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 03:59
@eluhrs it's kinda late for a school night, 8-10est, but it will be really great to finally meet @scottleibrand I met @danamlewis briefly early this year. Yes, we'll be sending the address to all registered folks soon.
8-10pm, that is
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 04:39
Compatible infusion sets with accommodating cabling, I think is what he's trying to convey @Spazholio
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 07:10
Yeah, you can unclip one set of tubing at the pump site and clip in the other pump's tubing.
Hristina Dimova
@xpucuto
May 27 2016 07:18
@Spazholio Just to know that the problem might not be in the battery . I suppose it's the Pi3 that needs more power and this is the reason the battery can not charger. Yesterday I got my zendure battery and unfortunately it died during the night while powering the rig and chargin itself . When I go home I will try a pi2B to see if I am right . P.s did they refund your battery ?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 09:33
Regarding yesterday's conversations about making a safe OpenAPS mobile app, I wrote up some thoughts at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a_Km1KeCkSRCMihUgkvWOnLYBHOTFVq_Px12fKNsQCw/edit?usp=sharing - would love to get some feedback on whether this is a reasonable approach.
Chris Oattes
@cjo20
May 27 2016 09:41
it's a reasonable approach. As to how to enforce the gating, a fixed delay in the app would be incredibly frustrating for anyone looping and has their phone break
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 09:44
there was some reference to looking at NS treatment history, which would be one way to confirm "oh, this person has been looping a lot longer than they've had the app installed"
Chris Oattes
@cjo20
May 27 2016 09:45
some sort of user account where the 'how far through the gates' is stored on a remote server that the app checks against would solve that issue
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 09:45
yeah, that would also work
mm22dl
@mm22dl
May 27 2016 09:46
Hey there! Just finished writing a little script that extracts the BG values from any Nightscout webpage, using the NS API endpoints. :-) Where would it be best for me to share it?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 09:47
have you looked at the nightscout tool in oref0?
it is supposed to do that already
mm22dl
@mm22dl
May 27 2016 09:58
does it allow one to retrieve data from any NS url?
wow, indeed
just saw that
feel a bit stupid right now haha
:/
mm22dl
@mm22dl
May 27 2016 10:09
the only thing I did more I think is parse the results, extract BGs and corresponding timepoints, and plot them
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 10:50
@scottleibrand I think it's a reasonable approach. What about having a simulation mode for training purposes as the new potential looper comes to grips with all the potential failure scenarios and remedies. It could almost be "game-like" in nature and the gates could be achievement badges of some sort. If the app will in fact make things that much easier, and I don't doubt it will, the simulation mode/game could train them and empower the new looper to wrap their head around it all and be able to help them understands the linkages between all the different variables.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 10:56
Is that something you would be willing to write or fund? Seems like a "nice to have" to me, but maybe not worth the effort....
Pete Schwamb
@ps2
May 27 2016 11:15
"Several people have now built OpenAPS implementations where the controller is a smartphone app". Is this true? Has someone gotten gotten openaps running as a phone app?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 11:17
Driver With the DanaR pump in Europe...
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 11:17
I'm including things like naterade too.
Milos Kozak
@MilosKozak
May 27 2016 11:23
there are "known" implementations but i'm sure there are unknown to us too
Pete Schwamb
@ps2
May 27 2016 11:24
I think it's confusing to call those other projects "OpenAPS"
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 11:26
@scottleibrand You are probably right, nice
Milos Kozak
@MilosKozak
May 27 2016 11:27
algorithm is still OpenAPS. move to HAPP room. there is just discussion about it
Pete Schwamb
@ps2
May 27 2016 11:27
OpenAPS = the python framework and related documentation that you guys have built, with oref0 as the dosing algo
Milos Kozak
@MilosKozak
May 27 2016 11:28
i would say algorithm is OpenAPS and oref0 is implementation
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 11:28
@ps2 No, that is openaps (lowercase)
OpenAPS is the larger movement, including reference design etc. on OpenAPS.org.
Agreed it is confusing.
And yes, please everyone join in to the discussion in the HAPP room.
Pete Schwamb
@ps2
May 27 2016 11:35
Yes, that seems unnecessarily confusing.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 11:38
That's where we ended up by creating OpenAPS as a movement and a reference design first, and only later making a python openaps toolkit. No one wants to give up calling their implementation an OpenAPS, so we keep that as an umbrella term. It also helps I think in talking to the outside world to have a single name for all these related projects.
Pete Schwamb
@ps2
May 27 2016 11:41
"No one wants to give up calling their implementation an OpenAPS". That's up to the developer of those implementations.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 11:44
And the users. I know most of the people using Nate's algorithm like @channemann and Erszi, and even some naterade users like @jmatheson consider themselves OpenAPS users.
Sorry Erzsi.
Pete Schwamb
@ps2
May 27 2016 11:47
If you use Nate’s algo in openaps, then yes, you are an openaps user. That makes sense. @jmatheson is also an openaps user because he uses openaps. That makes sense. Calling Naterate openaps is just confusing.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 11:49
What word would you use to collectively refer to patient-developed open source closed loop systems then?
Pete Schwamb
@ps2
May 27 2016 11:50
“open source loops"
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 11:51
That would work. Edits welcome.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 12:18
@loudnate can you clarity whether you'd consider apps like naterade built with LoopKit to be OpenAPS implementations? I know you considered your Python stuff to be one of the first OpenAPS implementations, but not sure if you would like LoopKit and/or naterade to remain under that umbrella, or exclude them.
*clarify
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 12:25
I have been looking, but cannot find help for getting pump to read to nightscout. It seems like it should be simple, but I am obv not that tech savvy. I am looking at ben's mm-format..., mm-stick... oref0 info, but stuck on how to enter that or what to put in <input> <output>. Feel really dumb. Spent several hours yesterday finding where I erred.
Jarred Yaw
@jyaw
May 27 2016 12:31
@scottleibrand I was taking a look at your openaps-sh tools and it appears that the setup.sh doesn't create reports needed for the loop.sh (e.g. requestedtemp.offline.json or glucose.json.new vs using enact/suggested.json or monitor/glucose.json found in the setup script) Am I missing something? (very possible) Seemed that I had to edit either file a bit to get them working...
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 12:31
Ignore loop.sh
setup.sh is totally unrelated, and loop.sh hasn't been used in a year. Maybe I should delete it.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 12:40
Well, 8 months anyway. Deleted.
Jarred Yaw
@jyaw
May 27 2016 12:47
Well it seemed like a great starting point anyway
how is setup.sh totally unrelated? It was very similar to what I was already doing to initialize my openaps environment...
oh you're just saying its unrelated to loop.sh
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 12:52
No, loop.sh is unrelated. Setup.sh is very much current and useful.
Yeah
i deleted loop.sh
Jarred Yaw
@jyaw
May 27 2016 12:56
cool thanks for clarifying!
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 13:11
Sooo...what does it mean when my Dexcom is showing ??? REALLY often? I swapped out sensors last night and put it on my arm, and last night was fine, but this morning, it's been in ??? state more than it's not.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 13:13
You can often fix ??? by drinking lots of water. If that doesn't work, it may be a bad sensor or bad placement...
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 13:14
@xpucuto Well, I contacted them, then 11 days later after a few more emails they got back to me. They offered me a $3 refund. Then a $8. Then $10. Then $13. All the while implying that I don't know how to use a battery. After 7 rounds of emails, I woke up to a full refund. It was truly one of the more bizarre things that's happened lately. I thought it might have been a language barrier thing due to them being a Chinese company (and expecting that I'd be "delighted" with a $3 refund) but the email where they refunded the money was pretty perfect English.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 13:14
Are you dehydrated @spazholio?
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 13:14
@scottleibrand Thanks. Has anyone had issues with the back/side of the arm? I don't like the stomach area because I'm a stomach sleeper and thing that may be causing some weird readings in the night.
@danamlewis I really don't think so, but I'll go slam my 1L water jug now. Jumpstart the day. =)
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 13:15
I wear mine on arm pretty much always
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 13:17
Does it matter where? I meant to go closer to the back of the arm, but managed to get more the side.
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 13:21
@Spazholio try pushing up the back up your arm via doorjamb or high counter or chair. It's easier to get to the back of the arm.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 13:22
Hasn't made a difference to me as long as it has normal amounts of fluid. If it's a spot you sleep on, I'd avoid it, but I rarely have problems whether it's back, side (most often) or even front (where I placed today)
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 13:23
@flutelynne_twitter I did the resting-my-arm-on-my-bent-knee trick. I just think I wasn't paying as close attention when I did it. I may try the doorjamb thing next though. Thanks!
@danamlewis Oh, here's something I can't find in the docs - do I have to rotate the spot I place my sensor like I do my infusion site? If so, by how much each time?
Alright, that's 1L down the hatch.
Spazholio @Spazholio looks at his Dexcom expectantly.
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 13:26
@Spazholio You're welcome.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 13:29
@spazholio that's a generic CGM question so no wouldn't be in the openaps docs :) I do rotate, helps internally heal as well as external skin breather time. Everyone probably does it differently. YDMV.
ddaniels1
@ddaniels1
May 27 2016 13:30
I've got an Edison up and running, and when I hook a 3.7V Lipo up appropriately it will power the board and charge the battery, but it won't power the TI stick on the USB. Is this typical? I was planning on wiring the TI stick via Serial anyway, but should it work via the USB?
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 13:31
Oh shoot, no I meant the Dexcom docs, not the OpenAPS docs. =)
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 13:31
Hehehe
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 13:31
@ddaniels1 I'm interested in answers to this question as well. I have been unable to get my dexcom recognized when plugged into USB.
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 13:31
I actually read that big honking book they sent me, but I might have missed something. =)
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 13:32
One thing to be aware of is that one of the Edison USBs is for serial console only, so I don't think it would work for the TI.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 13:32
Actually I don't know if it would be in there either, but granted I never RTFM'd the CGM. Google will probably point you to plenty of forums and blogs with this topic discussed though
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 13:34
@ddaniels1 If you have the board positioned with the USB ports on the right and facing up, you would want to use the lower one for your TI stick. The top one provides serial console.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 13:37
neither USB port on the Intel mini breakout board will work to power the TI stick with a lipo battery
that board doesn't have a voltage upregulator to get the 3.7V up to 5V like the sparkfun does
ddaniels1
@ddaniels1
May 27 2016 13:37
Yeah I am using the right port. thanks @scottleibrand. Assume it will work via serial?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 13:38
so with that board you have to use serial, ya
ddaniels1
@ddaniels1
May 27 2016 13:38
Or do I need the SParkfun?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 13:38
we have both setups: intel board with serial hard-wired TI, and sparkfun with USB-connected TI
ddaniels1
@ddaniels1
May 27 2016 13:38
OK, thanks.
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 13:46
@danamlewis Do you just leave the receiver alone for a few hours until it works again, or does shutting the receiver off and turning it on again kinda give it a kick?
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 13:51
@scottleibrand Is the same true when hooking the dexcom up to the Edison's USB? my Dex says 5v on the back....
On the Intel mini BO board, that is.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 13:53
correct, intel board can't do USB OTG to any device unless it is running on 5V or higher power
ddaniels1
@ddaniels1
May 27 2016 13:55
@scottleibrand what size batter would you suggest for the TI rig via serial? looking for 12 hours. Also, thinking about getting an ERF if it offers any advantages. I think it is a bit smaller, not sure on range or power consumption. any input?
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 13:56
@scottleibrand Interesting. I must have missed something in the documentation. I thought it suggested that I configure both USB and NS downloads. So would a voltage upstep board solve the the problem (at the expense of battery life)?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 13:57
@Spazholio you mean after ??? And water drinking? I leave receiver on
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 13:58
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Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 13:59
@danamlewis Sounds good. Generally how long do you find it takes before the thing comes back to its senses? As in, if it's been longer than X hours, I should replace the sensor.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 14:01
The Edison uses about 100mA looping with a TI. We use a 2000mAh battery which provides up to 20h fully charged.
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 14:04
On NS screen, pump pill says "device undefined", and OpenAps pill says "Unknown". I can suspend and resume pump through terminal, and get reports, but not uploading to NS. If someone has some time to help me or direct me where to understand further, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 14:08
The main challenge getting 20h battery life is it won't fully recharge in one go: the Edison stops charging it after 8h or so and you have to unplug an re-plug to charge the rest of the way.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 14:10
@spazholio usually the water works 20-30min. Usually by 2 hour mark I get fed up. Depends really on how long sensor has been in and how long willing to go without data
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 14:11
@flutelynne_twitter I would offer help, but I’m still in that stage right now too. I’m trying to figure out how to not use my actual dexcom receiver and just pull from Nightscout. I know it can be done, but all the documentation assumes you’re using an actual receiver
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 14:12
@scottleibrand Shouldn't I have enough power for the Dexcom since I'm using the Adafruit Power Boost 1000c? I have the 5v output from that board connecting to J2 on the Edison.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 14:13
Ah, you may be ok then. We don't use the power boost, just plug the lipo in directly.
Eric Luhrs
@eluhrs
May 27 2016 14:14
Not sure what it doesn't power the dexcom then. Wonder if I have it hooked up right. Will have to measure the output voltage....
Do most people rely solely on NS downloads then?
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 14:15
@danamlewis Cool, thanks. It just came back. All sorts of wrong values, but it came back. Giving it some time to settle itself down. =)
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 14:16
Yea. Anytime ??? Or new sensor or if you went swimming, be cautious about it for an hour or so
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 14:18
It said I was over 180, and I told it, "No no, you are 130" and am leaving it alone now.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 14:18
:+1:
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 14:22
@loudestnoise Aren't you using G5 share?
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 14:24
Uh, yeah I’m using a G5 paired to my iPhone. I also have one of the G4 with Share receivers that I did the software upgrade on so it will work with my G5 transmitter, I just haven’t used it for that quite yet
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 14:33
A couple of days ago, I named the CGM and added it as a device. Then I entered sudo pip install git+git://github.com/loudnate/dexcom_reader.git'loudnate/g5-receiver' Listed here on May 24 at 14:08
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 14:35
Yeah, you need that because of the differences in the receiver software as I understand
as the docs assume you’re using G4
Dan Piessens
@dpiessens
May 27 2016 14:36
Yeah there's a slight code difference, I've been meaning to do the firmware header check update and have it do both, but haven't had time
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 14:36
side note, I don’t know how Dr. Ponder gets a month + on his dexcom sensors. I’m ending my second week with this one and it’s startign to get all wonky. Just told me I had a +19 change in my BG
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 14:38
I have to change the Dexcom each week, and occasionally get 10 days, but reading are too off.
Pete Schwamb
@ps2
May 27 2016 14:38
@scottleibrand, thanks for accepting edits to the mobile app discussion doc. I have other suggestions, but am (still) not sure if you’re really wanting the doc to address loops in general, or specifically an OpenAPS based mobile loop of some sort, since the title is OpenAPS, and there are a lot of other OpenAPS references in it.
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 14:38
I normally just do one week, but I only had 2 new sensors left and was waiting on insurance and supplier to get my order figured out. Should be getting a 3mo box today though!
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 15:03
That's great. Trying to work on this before an eye injection later...then some days off of this.
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 15:10
stuck on the "add ns as device" is part of it.
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 15:12
This helped me openaps/docs#129
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 15:12
But I get reports with ns shell ^Thanks
That's what I've been using. the "auto-configure-device-crud" part messes me up. I've tried various ways to enter it, but it comes back with errors.
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 15:14
are you using the hashed bit for your API_SECRET?
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 15:15
Yes. I also have the hashed bit listed under my API_SECRET in heroku with a space between my plain API_SECRET. Can't figure out what I am not writing.
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 15:17
hmm, so the plain API should be in Heroku, and you generate the hashed version on your computer using the instructions on this page
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 15:17
Oh yes. First day
And when I do "openaps device show" I get medtronic: pumpname, dexcom: cgmname, and process: ns, etc.
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 15:27
sounds right
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 15:27
@ps2 I am assuming that whatever open source loops get most widely
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 15:30
@loudestnoise I wasn't sure about the add nightscout part at all in the openaps/docs#129
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 15:31
Silly mobile app.
@ps2 I am assuming that the open source mobile loop apps that get widely distributed and used will be the ones with the largest community of users behind them, and will incorporate the oref0 algorithms as at least one option. HAPP might be the way that happens for Android, and for iOS we might start from naterade, but I think we want to solve the issues we're discussing for any app before making it easy for users to build and install it.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 15:36
In other words, I think the OpenAPS community will be instrumental in moving us from proof of concept apps that their creators are unready to publicize into something we feel is safe to recommend to users who want to build their own loop.
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 15:59
@loudestnoise I feel SO stupid! I had not done the MMCONNECT section in heroku. You would think after nightscouting for 2 years, it would dawn on me. Still waiting for it to show on my page, though.
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 16:00
Don’t feel stupid, because I don’t even know what MMCONNECT section you’re talking about it is. Keep working on it though, sounds like you’re making progress.
I’m currently listening to the Juicebox podcast with @danamlewis :smile:
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 16:05
^Thanks. It's under the bridge part of setting up the bridge for nightscout. Thanks for the link.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 16:05
@ps2 another option for iOS, of course, would be to right a new app to work with Nate's LoopKit framework. Either way, from what I've seen we'll definitely want to use @loudnate's awesome work. Maybe when he gets online Nate can chime in on how he thinks we should move forward there, and which parts should be under the OpenAPS umbrella vs. kept separate.
Jarred Yaw
@jyaw
May 27 2016 16:07
Those interviews were great. @danamlewis @scottleibrand helps to have info for family and friends who are asking me... uh, you found this on the internet? you bought 10 yr old pumps from a guy on craigslist?...
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 16:07
Hehe
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 16:08
Now I’m listening to the next episode with this guy ^
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 16:16
I'm listening too..husband is like "yeah, sure you can set it up yourself". anyway...still not reading to nightscout
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 16:18
Yeah, getting Nightscout integration working is still the hardest part. Need someone to volunteer to write better docs for the new nightscout tools Ben wrote.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 16:21
@jyaw I met a bunch of Internet "strangers" last night in London, it was awesome :)
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 16:23
@danamlewis Listening to this podcast, I'm digging hearing that your targets are similar to mine. They horrify my endo, but I'm a fan. =)
Jarred Yaw
@jyaw
May 27 2016 16:23
haha
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 16:24
@scottleibrand Once I get my second rig set up, I'm going to redo my install from scratch, and I will try to follow the docs, and update where needed.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 16:24
Diabetes is so weird when you think about how much patients self-determine so much of our care, compared to many other chronic conditions. And also, YDMV.
Thx @Spazholio
Jarred Yaw
@jyaw
May 27 2016 16:25
any idea of the geographic spread of this community? like some generic google map or something of verified loops... just curious if I could jump down to Birmingham or Atlanta find somebody in the process as well if i wanted to.
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 16:26
Incidentally, is anyone using auto-sens with an Edison? I know that generally you don't have your Dexcom directly connected when using the Edison, so you have to pull the info from NS. Just want to hear that it's working for someone so I can manage my expectations going in. =)
@jyaw +1 for that suggestion. I'd love to see where everyone's located.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 16:27
@jyaw we'll be in Hsv for a few days next month.
Jarred Yaw
@jyaw
May 27 2016 16:27
no way! thats awesome
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 16:27
:)
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 16:28
@scottleibrand Thanks. I don't feel so bad...
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 16:28
(I'm from Hsv, so we're there a few times a year)
Jarred Yaw
@jyaw
May 27 2016 16:28
let me know if yall have any free time, my wife and I would love to have some lunch with you guys
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 16:28
Googling for "HSV" did NOT return what I thought it would...
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 16:29
I can do a generic (anonymous) geo list to share and update every so often
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 16:29
LOL did the same thing @Spazholio
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 16:29
Airport code helps ;)
Huntsville, Alabama
@jyaw will do
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 16:30
Haha, yeah, that other acronym might be a bit unexpected. ;-)
Jarred Yaw
@jyaw
May 27 2016 16:32
thats hilarious
Lynne Butts
@flutelynne_twitter
May 27 2016 16:38
If I pull request the minimed connect repo, wouldn't that mess up my 0.9-beta 2 version? Is the tree/dev version reading to PR?
mm22dl
@mm22dl
May 27 2016 16:56
what do you guys get with HSV? Lol, I'm getting Hamburger SV, a national soccer ligue. :-D
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 16:57
I haven't googled, but I know it stands for
Chris Oattes
@cjo20
May 27 2016 16:57
herpes simplex is what HSV is usually used for. That and "Hue, Saturation, Value" for colours
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 16:57
Herpes Simplex Virus.
Ben West
@bewest
May 27 2016 16:58
so picking an HSV is fine, but picking it up is not
Matthias Granberry
@mgranberry
May 27 2016 17:09
Will a 715 work for openaps? I found one in a box while cleaning out my garage
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 17:09
Yup
C-Ville
@C-Ville
May 27 2016 17:09
@mgranberry I do have an EP 715 and it is running just fine
you will not have glucose readings as it seems to be to old to have CGM connection, but everything else just works fine
mm22dl
@mm22dl
May 27 2016 17:14
haha excellent
Lukasz Kaniowski
@lukasz-kaniowski
May 27 2016 17:55
anyone knows how to connect rpi to internet when there is no wifi available? I basic openaps setup that sends data to NS. I have a medtronic pump + cgm and iPhone. I know that rileyLink could do this integration between pump and iPhone, but it requires building it first ;) I was wandering if I simple add bluetooth dongle to rpi and hepefully find some ios uploader app that will be able to be proxy into NS.
Chris Oattes
@cjo20
May 27 2016 17:57
iOS can act as a wifi hotspot
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 17:58
Yeah, getting BT tethering working between my Pi3 and my iPhone was double-plus un-fun. Wouldn't recommend it.
Lukasz Kaniowski
@lukasz-kaniowski
May 27 2016 18:02
I wonder how fast tethering will drain iPhone battery? overall this seems like a good starting point
jaylagorio
@jaylagorio
May 27 2016 18:14
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ericmtx
@ericmtx
May 27 2016 18:16
Like Al M we are doing BT tethering from Edison/TI to iPhone to get connectivity when away from home wifi. Haven't tried it on our Pi2
Al M got an iphone battery extender phone case to help. My daughter did a full day at school yesterday plus a couple hours in the evening doing BT tethering on her phone (plus dexcom receiver BT to iPhone) and used most but not all of her fully charged phone
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 18:19
Does anyone have a rough idea how much data is sent each time a rig uploads to NS? I know I can run wireshark or nettop to check, but I'm just wondering if anyone has a ballpark estimate.
ericmtx
@ericmtx
May 27 2016 18:20
On the Edison we stayed with the built-in Yocto linux distribution which includes the Connman communications controller that switches between BT and WiFi (documented on mmeowlink wiki). It's a bit spotty getting its connections and I've had to directly connect several times via wire in order to kick it into connecting to BT or wifi
Ali Mazaheri
@amazaheri
May 27 2016 18:22
:+1:
Lukasz Kaniowski
@lukasz-kaniowski
May 27 2016 18:23
Thanks. I will start with wifi tethering.
ericmtx
@ericmtx
May 27 2016 18:26
@amazaheri Sorry meant Ali M :)
Ali Mazaheri
@amazaheri
May 27 2016 18:26
lol no worries
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 18:29
I was wondering what Al Mann had to do with it. ;-)
Ali Mazaheri
@amazaheri
May 27 2016 18:29
lol
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 18:31
I swear, I am going to punch this sensor in the head. I don't care that that's a thing that can't actually happen, I'mma do it anyway somehow.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 18:31
after you replace it you can smash it to bits with a hammer
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 18:32
I’ve been trying to get BT tethering to work on my RPi3, but not having much luck. I got it to pair, but I don’t know how actually make it use that BT connection as the source of Internet
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 18:32
I put it on last night! I don't WANNA replace it!
Spazholio @Spazholio whines
David Cintron
@loudestnoise
May 27 2016 18:32
not to mention that throws off your whole supply game sometimes
sensors don’t grow on trees
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 18:36
Yeah, no kidding. It just came back from ??? - again - after 30 mins. I'm going to give it another day to see if it settles down.
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 18:42
@CrushingT1D has called Dexcom and they overnights him a new one. Call and complain, @Spazholio
Overnighted
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 18:43
Yeah, I'm considering that.
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 18:44
Is it possible you may be dehydrated?
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 18:44
No more or less than any other day. My routine hasn't changed.
jaylagorio
@jaylagorio
May 27 2016 18:44
Echoing @JaysonEwer, two months ago with my first Dexcom sensor I screwed it up. They sent me a replacement with barely an eyeblink.
Paul Martin
@Spazholio
May 27 2016 18:44
And I chugged 1L of water a few hours ago to ensure that it wasn't an issue. I could do another just to be on the safe side though.
live4sw
@live4sw
May 27 2016 18:45
Hi all, I’m getting Optional feature Meal Assist enabled, but could not read required meal data. on my new Edison w/Yocto setup when I run my loop, which causes the whole thing to fail. Didn’t have this issue on Pi. Are there docs to help set up meal-assist?
it looks like it needs carb ratios in profile.json
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 18:50
@live4sw are you passing meal.json to the suggest.json report?
live4sw
@live4sw
May 27 2016 18:52
Nope. I’ve never even tried to set up meal-assist before so I have never created any sort of meal report.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
May 27 2016 18:53
what does your suggested.json report look like?
live4sw
@live4sw
May 27 2016 18:56
[{"msg":"Optional feature Meal Assist enabled, but could not read required meal data.","file":"[]","error":{"errno":34,"code":"ENOENT","path":"[]","syscall":"open"}}]
it would normally have all the stuff it brings in, but because it doesn’t have the required meal data, i think it just is written with that error message
i’m a little confused since the loop runs fine on my Pi2 with 0.1.0 installed, but throws this error on the Edison w/Yocto with the same version installed
live4sw
@live4sw
May 27 2016 19:02
I am really interested in setting up meal-assist, but am not sure if I’m ready to do it until there is some documentation, so for now I might almost prefer to just disable meal-assist on the Edison if that is what is causing the error.
live4sw
@live4sw
May 27 2016 19:28
This is the specific message it gives during the loop: Could not parse carbratio_data. Feature Meal Assist enabled but cannot find required carb_ratios.
C-Ville
@C-Ville
May 27 2016 19:31
@live4sw did you use different versions of openaps on the edison and the pi?
live4sw
@live4sw
May 27 2016 19:32
nope, same version as far as i know, openaps 0.1.0, neither is dev branch
Tom Boudreau
@TomBoudr_twitter
May 27 2016 19:40
Got my cron setting in place and ready to go... but before I do it, I have a understanding how does this work before I do it Q... Right now it I'm running my master loop alias manually via ssh and it issues 30 minute temp basal.... now in the cron scenario... would a follow up automatic run 5 minutes later override the current temp basal on the pump (assuming correction was necessary). Or do I do a cron every 30 minutes so these temp basals each have time to complete themselves?
also hi to @C-Ville. Are you from/live in C-ville aka Charlotteville, VA?
C-Ville
@C-Ville
May 27 2016 19:44
@TomBoudr_twitter unfortunately I am no longer living there, I did my postdoc at UVA and totally fell in love with Charlottesville, VA
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 19:44
Hi Tom, no, they don't need to complete. The 30 min timeout is just one of the safety mechanisms built into the reference design. If you re-run in another 5 minutes, depending on your BG reading it may not override the current set temp basal or it may Chang it slightly.
Tom Boudreau
@TomBoudr_twitter
May 27 2016 19:44
Ok thanks @JaysonEwer
live4sw
@live4sw
May 27 2016 19:44
@TomBoudr_twitter It overrides the current temp basal if it believes an adjustment is necessary. Many have it run every 5 minutes but what is now more common is to run it every minute, with a check in the cron job to make sure that it is nto already running.
That’s what I do, really good especially with the crappy receiption on Carelink
Tom Boudreau
@TomBoudr_twitter
May 27 2016 19:46
@C-Ville WahooWa then. I did my undergrad there in Systems Engineering. It is a really great place so I share your love. Let me know if you are in town ever for Football or something - I drive the 2 hours from DC for most games
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 19:46
@TomBoudr_twitter Where are you located? I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meetup.
Tom Boudreau
@TomBoudr_twitter
May 27 2016 19:47
@JaysonEwer Alexandria, VA just south of DC... Looking forward to the meetup verymuch
@JaysonEwer do you know how many folks are planning on coming?
its funny... my old twittername was @diabetesjokes (for all the wilford brimley jokes my college roomates would tell me or all my funny low sugar antics ). I changed it b/c of the name making it impossible to interact with large segments of the population that did not find it amusing.
Tom Boudreau
@TomBoudr_twitter
May 27 2016 19:53
you guys would have liked it though... funny that I just discovered this great cimmunity
*community
@live4sw thank you for the advice... thats the battery impact of 5m versus 1m running? I will need to investigate the magic to check if its already running or not
live4sw
@live4sw
May 27 2016 19:55
running every minute will use more battery, there’s some discussion in the docs talking about what people have done. i personally run the loop about 12-16 hours a day and just change an alkaline battery every time i change my set
but many others have switched to lithium batteries
Tom Boudreau
@TomBoudr_twitter
May 27 2016 19:58
gotcha @live4sw I have the costco 100x duracells AAAs - so I'm on that train for a while. But I only plan to loop in the house for now.
For this setup I switched from a 530G pump to my older 722 and I really miss the IOB in the pump status screen. Other than that this setup is 100% awesome
live4sw
@live4sw
May 27 2016 20:00
I missed it for a little while too, then got used to it.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 20:01
Net iob is even better :)
Tom Boudreau
@TomBoudr_twitter
May 27 2016 20:08
@danamlewis is that in NS?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
May 27 2016 20:09
If you set up openaps, yes you can then see net iob in NS. Great way to visualize what the loop is doing.
Tom Boudreau
@TomBoudr_twitter
May 27 2016 20:10
is it also in iob.json?
I think I have seen it there
Jason Calabrese
@jasoncalabrese
May 27 2016 22:31
@scottleibrand @danamlewis: I created a tag for the last state of the old wip/iob-cob branch, and will delete the branch to prevent confusion. I put some placeholder text there, but we could add something else if you want. https://github.com/nightscout/cgm-remote-monitor/releases/tag/OLD-IOB-COB
Michael Sluis
@binaryrefinery
May 27 2016 22:57
Would there be any new data if you run it every minute? I thought the sensor would only update BG values every five minutes so that's the frequency I have set mine to run.
Mark Wilson
@mddub
May 27 2016 23:07
@binaryrefinery: depending on when you started the current sensor and when you scheduled cron for, you may be running the loop, say, 4 minutes after every cgm reading instead of 1 minute
so with some extra logic you can see if there's new cgm data and act sooner
(fwiw i don't consider it worth the extra complexity in my loop; 3 minutes delay isn't the end of the world)
JaysonEwer
@JaysonEwer
May 27 2016 23:20
➕1️⃣ @mddub
or +1
Oskar Pearson
@oskarpearson
May 27 2016 23:23
Hey all. After meeting everyone in London the other day, Siobhan's now keen to get a Pebble watch :)
I was wondering if there are any specific requirements? Any guidance on models or similar?
Jason Calabrese
@jasoncalabrese
May 27 2016 23:28
I really like the Time Steel, but it's heavier than the regular Time
the Time2 in the kickstarter looks great
Oskar Pearson
@oskarpearson
May 27 2016 23:34
Thanks for the advice. Yeah - the kickstarter stuff looks pretty great!
That Pebble Core probably would be a great openaps device
I suspect we'll have a bunch more options way before Jan 2017 though, given the rate things are going