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Oct 2016
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 00:03
Okay so I'm on phase 1: monitoring and vizualization, setup ns device. When I go to test it using: openaps use ns shell preflight it returns a bunch but at the top it says "No JSON object could be decoded Unknown request: pell" and then at the bottom it says: "ValueError: No JSON object could be decoded" Can someone please help me, I'm not quite sure what I've done wrong
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Oct 04 2016 00:04
@cassknox have you been using the new setup scripts, or are you setting up the old way?
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 00:07
Oh okay, I think I was using the old way. Thanks @danamlewis I'm trying them now
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 00:08
the new dev docs include the setup script testing steps as well, so you can skip straight to them
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 00:35
Perfect, working great so far, thanks!
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 00:37
In order to get Jubilinux onto the PI, is there another way to get it on there and then flash it to the edison beside downloading the zip file onto my windows machine and then copying it over to the Pi. Thanks. Trying to take first shot at it.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 00:44
you could flash directly from Windows
but pi can download files, just use wget
wget http://some.host.com/some/file.zip
and then unzip file.zip
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 00:52
@scottleibrand Thanks. Will give that a go now.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Oct 04 2016 00:52
@cassknox great to hear! let us know if you have any issues or find anything, we just put it in dev so any feedback on this PR will help us speed up getting it to master for more people to see. openaps/docs#399
redjujube
@redjujube
Oct 04 2016 00:56

I'm trying to setup openaps with a Medtronic pump for the first time and am running into a problem when trying to upload data to nightscout (new installation, problem might be there). When I run

openaps use ns shell upload entries.json monitor/glucose.json

I get the following output:

{
  "status": 401,
  "message": "Unauthorized",
  "description": "Invalid/Missing"
}

I'm not 100% sure the glucose.json file is correctly formatted, but it seems like this error is with the nightscout installation. The nightscout stuff is appearing on azure correctly but I don't see the pill box on the left side. I've got the OpenAPS plugin enabled in nightscout. I'm stumped as to what my next debugging steps are.

Sorry, guess I haven't quite mastered the markup language here...
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 00:57
you just used normal ' - you want ` (backticks) instead. they're on the ~ key. there you go. :)
redjujube
@redjujube
Oct 04 2016 00:58
Thanks Scott, I got the markup working :)
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 01:22
@tazitoo I did do a reboot but seem slike time is still out of whack fro some reason
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:26
Check the glucose-zoned.json contents.
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 01:30
@danamlewis so I'm running the last script on the new setup you sent me and I've got a question, is it normal for it the return to be running over a half hour now what seems to be the same thing over and over just with updated time stamps? It keeps returning: "Starting pump-loop at.... Completed pump-loop at..."
fallon225
@fallon225
Oct 04 2016 01:30
We didn't buy a back up soon enough, and we might have to switch back to Omnipod for a bit. If anyone sees a pump that would work with openaps, if you can let me know, we'd really appreciate it.
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 01:30
@scottleibrand so can you give me a little direction how I can install oref0#235?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:32
git checkout oref0-setup in your src/oref0 dir and git pull
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 01:35
and then re-run the setup script?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:37
Ya
@fallon225 where are you located? There might be someone with a backup pump they can lend you while you find another...
fallon225
@fallon225
Oct 04 2016 01:41
@scottleibrand I'm in Oxford, Michigan
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:44
So what's the best method anyone has found so far for automatically starting BT tethering on (j)ubilinux?
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 01:45
@scottleibrand I'm running the last script on the new setup you sent me and I've got a question, is it normal for the return to be running over a half hour now what seems to be the same thing over and over just with updated time stamps? It keeps returning: "Starting pump-loop at.... Completed pump-loop at..." Over and over?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:45
@fallon225 also, how dead is your pump? Is it giving an error?
@cassknox no, something didn't get set up right.
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 01:46
Shoot. Okay, can you tell me how to stop it?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:46
You can ctrl-c out of the logfile
fallon225
@fallon225
Oct 04 2016 01:46
He can't press "act". It's been giving him trouble on and off for months, but now he still hasn't been able to for like 20 minutes. We've also been getting "motor error" several times a day every week or few weeks. It will take him 3-4 tries to get it to bolus.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:47
If you want to stop it running in the background you can comment or or delete the line from crontab -e
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 01:47
Ah perfect, thank you. I'm going back to try it again.
fallon225
@fallon225
Oct 04 2016 01:47
lol he finally bolused through openaps on his computer... 40 minutes after he wanted to have snack.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:47
@fallon225 you might try the method for cleaning the buttons by peeling up the sticker over them and using a q-tip
There is a video walkthrough you can find.
fallon225
@fallon225
Oct 04 2016 01:49
That's not the problem, but we'll give it a try. The button just won't move. It's like it's not a button any more.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:49
Motor errors aren't fixable afaik, but sounds like you can continue past those.
Probably some gunk stuck inside you can clean out.
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 01:50
@scottleibrand ran script....was curious thougth about this....I did select G5....
pi@raspberrypi:~/APS401 $ openaps report show raw-cgm/raw-entries.json --cli
openaps use cgm oref0_glucose --hours "24" --threshold "100"
fallon225
@fallon225
Oct 04 2016 01:50
I'll have him try that :)
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 01:50
that should have --no-raw....right?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:51
@garykidd ya. don't think I fixed that yet. Want to PR in a fix?
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 01:51
sure
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:52
Just need to re-add the alias with --no-raw in the G5 setup section.
fallon225
@fallon225
Oct 04 2016 01:52
@inform880 says that the button was split in half and stuck in the down position
iananders
@iananders
Oct 04 2016 01:52
I'm switching my nightspot implementation to heroku - where can i point my app towards my mlab database?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:52
That sounds a little more serious than just gunk.
fallon225
@fallon225
Oct 04 2016 01:52
he says he took the easy bolus button and put it in the act button place. He says he fixed it. Shoulda done that before I started typing. ;)
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:53
Lol nice!
Maybe could swap buttons with a non-loopable pump too. ;-)
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Oct 04 2016 01:54
@cassknox sorry, was working :D still a problem or did you work through that one?
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 01:57
@scottleibrand do I need to find the actual par tof the setup script or can I just describe the issue for the PR?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 01:58
Describing the issue would be an ... Issue. ;-)
That is better than gitter, but actually fixing the code and doing a PR is best.
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 01:59
OK...will try to find the relevant section now
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:00
New issue at https://github.com/openaps/oref0/issues is fine if you need something to track it so I don't forget.
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 02:01
@danamlewis sorry to interrupt your work! I got it to stop (thanks to @scottleibrand) but I'm now backtracking to try and troubleshoot where my problem was...
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Oct 04 2016 02:01
no worries, just explaining why I’m slow :D
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 02:05
@danamlewis how come I just went on my ns site and now the openAPS pill box on the left and and all the IOB, cob, etc. on the right are gone?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Oct 04 2016 02:05
is everything still enabled/all your options turned on?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:05
I've noticed that happening randomly. A refresh usually brings it back.
When it does that for me, settings won't even show me the NS version.
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:10
@scottleibrand so does this latest oref0 allow usb receiver to upload cgm to NS?
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 02:11
Yeah that's exactly what happened, weird. Okay I got it back now. I believe my problem lies in the openAPS plugin because I've never seen it say anything but "unknown" next to it?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:14
@garykidd only for openxshareble so far
@cassknox you need to get the stuff on the Pi working first before that pill has any chance.
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:15
Understanding YDMV but was curious if folks have any defined ratio between max_iob and max basal rate?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:16
there should be pretty direct relationship, with the max IOB achievable being directly related to max basal and DIA
think about what your IOB would be if you ran at max basal for an hour or two
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:17
right
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:17
and then decide how long you're comfortable letting it do that, and set max iob accordingly
cassknox
@cassknox
Oct 04 2016 02:19
@scottleibrand I understand, but I have been following the instructions as close as I can and if I've missed something, then I'm not quite sure where? Or are you saying I just need to keep going before it will work?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:19
I would re-run oref0-setup.sh, and if you get the same thing in the logs we can start running commands manually to see what works and what doesn't
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:19
but would you want, for example, 2 hours of max basal delivery to hit or encroach on max_iob...or might you want a third hour of max basal to still be able to add to max_iob before it becomes the limiter...vs the max basal rate?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:20
@garykidd really depends on your preferences. if you have a fairly low max basal, you might be ok running it longer before hitting max iob. if your max basal is really high, maybe max iob is the limit most of the time...
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:20
the way I have it now 2 hours of max basal delivery would hit the max iob limit
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:21
I would start with fairly low numbers for both, watch the loop, and identify when one limit or the other is keeping it from doing something you think is necessary, and then raise that limit slightly
keep doing that until you're comfortable that it can do what it needs to do within the limits
a lot of the reason for those limits is to get you to watch what it's doing, think about the decisions it's making, and make your own decisions about how much leeway to give it
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:22
got it.
It kind of blew my mind a bit though when reading about the [6.8] basal limit though.
sorry..meaning that that is an issue for so many in how they set up their loops
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:24
heh ya. I know there are people (especially on steroids) that need that much insulin regularly, though.
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:26
I got a cortisone injection not long ago for inflammation in my shoulder....I had to more than double my insulin needs.....
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maybe I should think about getting a G4 receiver so as to be able to use openxshareble
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:32
you'd need to switch to a G4 transmitter too
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:33
but would I really need a g4 receiver at all?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:33
yes, G4 w/ Share to talk BLE to the Edison
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:35
OK so you do need the receiver still....and no way to directly link g4 transmitter to edison/pi via BLE
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:36
G4 transmitter passively broadcasts on a proprietary frequency. no BLE in the transmitter like G5
but that also means you can have an arbitrary number of receivers listening, vs. having to pair them all like with G5
which helps for getting rid of 2h sensor restart gaps etc.
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:37
hmmm
but the frequency of g4 is know..correct?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:38
yeah, that's what xdrip uses
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:38
oh...right
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:38
you could put a wixel on your rig: that's the plan for the RiledUp
but we'll probably stick with openxshareble for now
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:39
and is anyone lookin gto bypass the g5 receiver and connect g5 transmitter to pi/edison directly?
would seem possible
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:40
someone would "just" need to port xdripg5 from ios to linux
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:45
wait is wixel for g4 or g5?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 02:45
wixel is g4 afaik
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 02:46
thanks bud....gonna get some rest....
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 03:11
ok, so supposedly I have flashed to the edison. How do I go onto the edison? I have an otg cable plugged into a windows machine
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 03:20
you should have a second USB cable plugged into the console port, and either ssh or connect via console
there should be a section in the wiki about that
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 05:02
@C-Ville @sjolundjohn I just committed https://github.com/openaps/oref0/blob/oref0-setup/bin/oref0-online.sh to cycle wlan0 and renew dhcp if network is not available. It can also use bt-pan to set up BT tethering if you pair your phone and provide its MAC (--btmac= in oref0-setup)
C-Ville
@C-Ville
Oct 04 2016 05:24
@scottleibrand that is amesome
John Sjolund
@sjolundjohn
Oct 04 2016 07:13
@scottleibrand fantastic. Am I right that I download and then execute the script locally? Will it change existing settings?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 07:28
Idea is to run it every minute in cron if it's not already running, like most everything else. Take a look at how oref0-setup does it.
The BT MAC is optional. It will still do the wlan0 DHCP thing without it.
I still need to figure out my bluetoothd stuff and make sure that I can get pairing to persist across reboots.
But the ifup/down and DHCP stuff I've been running on my rigs forever, and I can see from the logs that it's triggering a switchover after I shut off tethering.
So presumably it would help on other types of network switches as well.
Sandra Keßler
@SandraK82
Oct 04 2016 07:39
on raspi it works for me just by adding a second network to wpa configuration and running the normal wpa scan evry minute as setup by default in my cron
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 08:02
I have that as well, but find that sometimes DHCP doesn't get/keep an IPv4 address. (Sometimes IPv6 works but IPv4 doesn't).
Sandra Keßler
@SandraK82
Oct 04 2016 08:05
currently i have another issue, maybe it is this ipv4 problem too. after ~24h i need to unklug and replug the wifi dongle on the raspi2 to be able to Connect agin to the raspi
Tim Street
@tim2000s
Oct 04 2016 15:12
I took a look at xDripG5 port from Android to Linux. Ouch.
Is there any recognition of protein effect on glucose in oref0? I've found it struggling with my protein intake when lower carb, even if I pretend and include in carb numbers.
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 15:32
So I am literally trying to just get into the edison and having problems. I flashed the firmware from the Intel Edison site and put the password in where it says to place it. When I go in from ssh, I continue to get an error at the password. I haven't hit all caps, I haven't forgotten it, what the heck am I missing? I have reflashed the thing I think twice now.
tazitoo
@tazitoo
Oct 04 2016 16:14
@davidkeddydb - a little fuzzy on your process...if you just flashed the edison, it doesn't know anything about wifi does it?
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 16:14
wondering if others have issue with lost BT connections with G5 and iphone....in same area the G5 receiver works far better than with BT to iphone connection....maybe should look into wixel.
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 16:20
@tazitoo Intel has a set up wizard that walks you through flashing, then password, then wifi set up. My mistake, hopefully I am the only idiot to do this was to use my board name as the username, rather than root...I think.
tazitoo
@tazitoo
Oct 04 2016 16:21
sounds like you've got it sorted - good luck!
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 16:32
@tazitoo Thanks. Will take all I can get!
C-Ville
@C-Ville
Oct 04 2016 16:37
@garykidd for Wixel you will need a G4 transmitter
garykidd
@garykidd
Oct 04 2016 17:31
right
Milos Kozak
@MilosKozak
Oct 04 2016 17:52
Sooil USA exists http://www.sooilusa.com/m4_05.html . anyone tried to ask about the pump? @jasoncalabrese it's in San Diego
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 18:00
@davidkeddydb that process gets you yocto. I think you'll end up wanting jubilinux instead. There are directions for flashing that on the mmeowlink wiki.
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 18:01
Ok, I am much further along now. So if I am setting up the Edison and want to install Oref0 dev, but I haven't gotten to set up MMeowlink yet, what do I do? Say no and then go back after it sets up on the Edison and I have the TI stick set?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 18:01
@tim2000s no, we do not model future impact of protein. We will of course respond to BG rise from it, though, which most people find sufficient. If not, I would recommend trying a long low temp target (like eating soon but continuing well after the protein).
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Oct 04 2016 18:02
@MilosKozak if I remember correctly, DANAR is not yet approved in the US? Their US-approved pumps don’t have the capes needed, we talked to them two years ago at SciSessions and they were surprisingly not very forthcoming about the US pipeline
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 18:02
@davidkeddydb did you end up on yocto or jubilinux? The oref0-setup script is only available for jubilinux. If you want to do yocto you'll have to set things up manually
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 18:05
@scottleibrand If I have it as yocto, I will reflash it. Is there an easy command to tell me what I have installed jubilinux or yocto?
C-Ville
@C-Ville
Oct 04 2016 18:06
try apt-get update if it does something it is jubilinux oder ubilinux I believe
sudo apt-get update sorry
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 18:08
@scottleibrand I know the order has you do the edison first, then flash the TI stick and then Mmeowlink. New set up seems like mmeowlink should come prior to give it where to point to in set up. But I wasn't sure
@C-Ville I get a command not found. I can reflash it just to be safe. I am running windows on the other side of my mac
Tim Street
@tim2000s
Oct 04 2016 18:10
Thanks @scottleibrand I'll give that a go.
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 18:17
I think I likely did yocto as it gave fairly easy wifi set up. Does anyone have a good template for their wifi settings for the edison? The instructions on preparing the Edison are not clear to me, but that is 100% me as the user. :)
C-Ville
@C-Ville
Oct 04 2016 18:19
@davidkeddydb I think @scottleibrand posted a script this morning which should setup wifi for jubilinux
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 18:21
@C-Ville thank you, @scottleibrand doesn't sleep. I will scroll up and find it.
Gina
@gclyon
Oct 04 2016 18:24
I'm in similar thought process as you,@garykidd, on G5 setups. Since my receiver burned up, I'm thinking about diff options... a) Pay $200 for another receiver and keep going with this setup b) figure out how to pull BG from NS and just use phone c) get RileyLink and use Loop app
I really don't like relying on my phone as my receiver b/c I USE it all the time and lay it places----and lose the BT connection ALL THE TIME. I have another iphone I could use, but don't really want to pay for cellular service (for the G5 bridge to function thru DexCom servers). I am leaning toward option C.
Any input from you experts is much welcomed.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Oct 04 2016 18:38
If you lose BT connection often..you’d probably run into losing RileyLink connection to phone often, too. so just something to factor in.
Gina
@gclyon
Oct 04 2016 18:39
Well, I was thinking to have the local setup (on a small iphone4)
(attach it to the rig or whatever) ...not phone i'll be using
kenstack
@kenstack
Oct 04 2016 19:24
I heard Jay Ratcliffe will be on CNBC (may have gone on already) re hacking the ping pump - I think hes talking about the remote bolus option - there are a few press releases out - J&Jissuing a warning to users today out a few hours ago - maybe you guys alrady heard if so sorry fpr the spam - I hope this doesnt impact our group ...
ahh - story coming on right now - 330 est
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Oct 04 2016 19:28
It’s the same story as when the Medtronic vulnerability was discovered. and the “fix” is a good one - make sure you know & have your max bolus set to a reasonable amount.
kenstack
@kenstack
Oct 04 2016 19:31
yes agree of course - just dont want them locking down remote bolus on newer pumps .. thats an avenue for us to continue to do what we do - using the remote bolus functions
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Oct 04 2016 19:34
I think the community answer is “yes, we want secure communication but we also need access”. Right now it’s a trade-off. But shutting down access is not the answer.
kenstack
@kenstack
Oct 04 2016 19:34
completely agree :)
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 19:39
I am still trying to get Jubilinux flashed from Windows. I keep getting a dfu device timeout error
diabeticgonewild
@diabeticgonewild
Oct 04 2016 19:41
@davidkeddydb search for diabeticgonewild on YouTube for a tutorial on flashing on Windows
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 19:44
@davidkeddydb make sure you have two known good working USB data cables plugged in, one to each microUSB port on the base block, and launch a console connection so you can see what's going on. then reboot the Edison while running the flashall script, and it should start flashing automatically
with regards to wifi, the stuff I did last night was just for resetting the wifi if it goes down. you'll still need to configure it for your wifi networks per the wiki (or using one of the methods in the openaps/docs for the Pi)
David
@davidkeddydb
Oct 04 2016 19:46
@scottleibrand Thanks. One of my cables last night was crap which I replaced this morning
Jason Calabrese
@jasoncalabrese
Oct 04 2016 19:56
The worst thing about the recent pump hacking news: watching cnbc commercials
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 20:06
hehe
Hannah Crabtree
@lollydaggle
Oct 04 2016 20:36
I keep trying to come up with any feasible situation where a pump hacking could occur. If you're within 25 feet, just knock me out and bolus on the pump itself. Way less hassle.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 20:42
heh ya. or push you in front of a bus or something.
Tim Street
@tim2000s
Oct 04 2016 21:15
It's just so much bs. I've tried bt & wireless scanning on the data flow. All the newer pumps with by have massively upped the security so you've no chance. The older pumps? Well, yes, but we know the range of a carelink. Reckon it's just pump cos trying to shutdown open access.
Eric
@ecc1
Oct 04 2016 21:18
I had an email exchange with Sooil USA support asking about getting a Dana R and they told me they have no plans for getting it approved in the US. Not sure why they're bothering with a USA office :-(
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 21:18
it's mostly Jay Radcliffe trying to make a living doing security research.
the pump companies know their old stuff is insecure, and are doing proper security (albeit not proper access for users) on new pumps. They're not sponsoring this research.
Jason Calabrese
@jasoncalabrese
Oct 04 2016 21:23
that SD office is very close to Dexcom, same for the new Insulet office
John Benjamin
@Bender1061
Oct 04 2016 21:25
So I've been worried about my 722 since i started using it again to start looping. Down Button wearing out, the cover for where the Pump motor wants to slide out (I'll probably JB weld it), So I've been keeping my eyes out for a 723 with 2.4A. That way I can keep using my mmconnect (would not work with the 722) So I've been carrying around my 530G so I could get my nightscout updated correctly. I found one, It's purple, but hey black skin with a purple pump works for me! I believe I got it for a good price, (hard to believe some people want $900 to $1500 for an older pump) But now I have peace of mind that hey if one dies, i have my spare.
Hannah Crabtree
@lollydaggle
Oct 04 2016 21:27
@Bender1061 my latest lead for a spare had a craigslist offer for $700. No way I was beating that. Demand is out there, people are catching on and prices will only go up.
John Benjamin
@Bender1061
Oct 04 2016 21:28
got mine for $550 and it's in real good shape
Hannah Crabtree
@lollydaggle
Oct 04 2016 21:32
@Bender1061 that's what I paid for my first one. Hoping I can squeeze a second one for cheaper. My battery shaft on this one is partially broken where the cap screws in so I get nervous.
John Benjamin
@Bender1061
Oct 04 2016 21:35
my first one, was my first pump i got back in 2008. It was funny, when i found out about this in April had exactly everything i needed to make the pi rig. Course now it's addicting, I have 4 rigs made. and I keep looking at ways to make them better. My soldering skills has gone from novice to expert with this hobby.
tynbendad
@tynbendad
Oct 04 2016 21:41
So is there a way to use the animas pump for openaps now or the hack that was in the news is not yet in the open?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 21:42
that "hack" is not news: it's been known for a year now
it's what @mariusae uses to do his pingrf APS. but Ping only supports remote bolus, not temp basal, so it requires way too much safety engineering for the average looper to do safely. far safer to stick with Medtronic.
tynbendad
@tynbendad
Oct 04 2016 21:44
Ah thanks.. interesting guess that same argument will apply to 630/640/670g pumps when only remote bolus is available...
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 21:46
definitely true for 630G: that won't be useful to us ever. some folks in EU are trying to make 640G work for remote bolus, with the idea of relying on smartguard for protecting against lows. given how 640G smartguard works, though, that likely won't be as good as 670G's built in algorithm.
(will probably be easier to "hack" the 670G by changing calibrations / carb entries than by directly controlling it in open loop mode via CNL)
tynbendad
@tynbendad
Oct 04 2016 21:53
Interesting, so you'd rely on constant basal plus pumps built-in protection low prediction/cutoff, but be able to use openaps algorithms for bolus..
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 21:56
yes, but... you can't bolus while smartguard is active (or cancel it from CNL), so you'd have to wait until it thinks BG is coming up fast enough, and then bolus to try to prevent rebound
so the algorithm would have to be a lot more conservative and rebound-prone that oref0: unlikely we could get better results than the 670G algorithm that way
tynbendad
@tynbendad
Oct 04 2016 22:08
Ugh, that doesn't give much hope :)
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 22:17
well, you can build an OpenAPS rig now, or use the 670G when it comes out. either way it'll be a lot better than not looping. :)
John Benjamin
@Bender1061
Oct 04 2016 23:12
I know the 670G will not work for me, Cause they are going to so super conservative, so with my very large insulin insensitivity due to the steroids I'm on. I'm sure it won't basal near enough insulin for me.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 23:14
they're conservative on the target, but if you have the higher basals programmed in, it should adjust from there and basal about the right amount. you'll probably ride in the same 120-150 range that most people with lower basals ride in, given the 670G's algorithm.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Oct 04 2016 23:27
you may could also play with how you would calibrate your sensor, IF the real world experience left you riding higher.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Oct 04 2016 23:31
do we know whether you'll be able to manually enter calibrations, or if it will only accept them from the paired contour nextlink meter?