These are chat archives for nightscout/intend-to-bolus

20th
Jun 2017
marafie
@marafie
Jun 20 2017 00:39
Can the rig receive the dexcom transmitter radio signals like the xdrip?
Eric
@ecc1
Jun 20 2017 00:51
Only if you add a 2.4GHz radio, like the Wixel (CC2511) or CC2500 (SPI only).
(That's for G4 transmitters. For G5 transmitters, only Bluetooth LE is required.)
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 00:59
but no one has (yet) built/ported the software to talk to a G5 transmitter directly from a rig
I think the best path toward that right now is to build it into a phone app that can pull CGM data from the Dexcom app the way Loop does and then send it to the rig over Bluetooth. that's one of the longer-term goals with https://github.com/aditmer/OpenAPSApp
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 01:07
@scottleibrand I've actually been playing with reading my dexcom sensors on-rig
Nothing even remotely worth reporting - mainly just reading the xDrip code and trying to port it
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 01:08
Cool. If you can get that working that would be great for folks who have a G5.
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 01:08
I agree. Thats my biggest headache with my rig at the moment
xDrip is fantastic, but needing my phone charged (its almost 3 years old now - charged is a feat! haha) sucks
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 01:21
My plan, if I can make it work, would to be to auto-calibrate based of "finger-stick" BG in NS or manually on the command line.
katie disimone
@Kdisimone
Jun 20 2017 02:08
@jonahtaxt I've seen several people who had some issues like you've shown had them fixed with a router change. In those cases their routers were pretty old.
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 02:59
@Kdisimone I Guess I'll try that. Thanks Katie!
Annette Valle
@annettemvalle
Jun 20 2017 03:02
Hello guys how do I erase my current oref and start all over with the advance features?
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 03:04
@annettemvalle cd
cd ~
rm -rf ./src
rm -rf youropenapsdir/
Oops
Run sudo service cron stop first
Annette Valle
@annettemvalle
Jun 20 2017 03:06
@jonahtaxt Cron services are stopped
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 03:06
Then you may run the other commands
Annette Valle
@annettemvalle
Jun 20 2017 03:06
@jonahtaxt let me give it a try, thanks
@jonahtaxt Nothing happen
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Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 03:08
That's ok
You just deleted the source files and the openaps env
You can now do a clean install from step 0
Annette Valle
@annettemvalle
Jun 20 2017 03:09
@jonahtaxt Awesome thanks Jorge!!
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 03:10
NP. BTW, I like your openaps dir name jajajaja
John Seaber
@jseaber
Jun 20 2017 03:10
Quick thought, and maybe this has been discussed somewhere and I've missed it. Wouldn't it be safer when switching branches to run git reset --hard in the OpenAPS directory, then get checkout [branch]....? I'm always paranoid I'll delete the the wrong directory.
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 03:44
@Kdisimone @scottleibrand well, it turns out I wasn't able to get a response from icanhazip.com. So, oref0-online thought there wasn't an internet connection. I tried using my pc's browser and I wasn't able to get a response. I updated my pc's dns to google's dns and, voila! I saw a response. So now, I'm updating the dns on my rig to google's dns to see if that makes the error go away. There's nothing better than reading code!!
jmcrawford
@jmcrawford
Jun 20 2017 03:45
Are there any docs on reflashing the explorer/cc111x?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jun 20 2017 03:48
Yep. Search "ccprog" in the docs
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 03:53
well, I either wasn't able to override the dns settings, or, here in Mexico we can't see that icanhazip.com. So I modified the oref0-online.sh file to get the ip from checkip.amazonaws.com. I don't know if I should PR this change. I read that the icanhazip can be buggy or nonresponsive sometimes, and I was able to reach checkip.amazonaws.com even without overriding my dns settings
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 03:54
I approve of checking against amazon
We tend to be up =P
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 03:54
@applehat :D
well, the great thing is that it is working, so maybe that's something that could be updated
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 03:55
I dont think its a terrible idea. Going against something like amazon or google feels more reliable
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 03:56
Jun 19 22:55:02 edisonaps network.log: At Mon Jun 19 22:55:02 CDT 2017 my local IP is: 192.168.22.100
Jun 19 22:55:03 edisonaps network.log: At Mon Jun 19 22:55:02 CDT 2017, my wifi network name is Rivendel, and my public IP is: 187.214.253.8
Jun 19 22:55:03 edisonaps network.log: Finished oref0-online.
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 03:56
Oh look, your home IP
=P
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 03:57
I am all for using something more reliable than icanhazip.com. Please do PR in the change (to dev) if you have it working.
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 04:00
oops
delete that
jajaja
ok
I'll do that PR
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 04:33
now I'm getting this error when running monitor/pumphistory.json
monitor/pumphistory.json  raised  17
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/openaps-report", line 82, in <module>
    app( )
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openaps/cli/__init__.py", line 51, in __call__
    self.run(self.args)
  File "/usr/local/bin/openaps-report", line 75, in run
    output = app(args, self)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openaps/cli/subcommand.py", line 52, in __call__
    return self.method.main(args, app)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openaps/reports/invoke.py", line 40, in main
    output = task.method(args, app)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openaps/uses/use.py", line 45, in __call__
    output = self.main(args, app)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openaps/vendors/medtronic.py", line 640, in main
    for rec in self.range( ):
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/decocare/models/__init__.py", line 67, in __call__
    for record in page:
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/decocare/models/__init__.py", line 46, in download_page
    for record in self.find_records(page):
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/decocare/models/__init__.py", line 158, in find_records
    records = decoder.decode( )
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/decocare/history.py", line 823, in decode
    record = parse_record(self.stream, B, larger=larger, model=self.model)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/decocare/history.py", line 755, in parse_record
    record.parse( head + date + body )
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/decocare/records/base.py", line 66, in parse
    return self.decode( )
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/decocare/history.py", line 571, in decode
    temp = { 0: 'absolute', 1: 'percent' }[self.head[1]]
KeyError: 17
I guess it is the same thing that happened to me a while ago
some weird entry on the pump
is there anyway I could get the raw data to send it to you to check if there is anything you can do to fix it? Or, could you point me in the direction to fix this issue?
katie disimone
@Kdisimone
Jun 20 2017 04:50
@scottleibrand this time the mmtune alias change worked. I turned script off and retested. So it appears either solution would work.
👍🏻
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 04:50
Thx @jonahtaxt
That parsing inside the openaps/decocare Python code that I don't really have much experience with.
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 04:52
So, should I maybe ask Ben? Is he still working on it?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 04:52
@Kdisimone cool. Want to PR in a workaround that re-adds the reset_spi_serial.py stuff to the mmtune alias?
You should ask him where to start debugging, yeah. He's not actively working on it any longer, but is happy to help point people in the right direction so they can do so.
Ryan Dalisky
@rdalisky
Jun 20 2017 04:53
Has anybody contacted 'http://prosulpump.com' yet? If not, I am going to call them tomorrow. They are not looking for FDA approval, could be the next step.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 04:53
(The Ben comment was for @jonahtaxt not @Kdisimone )
katie disimone
@Kdisimone
Jun 20 2017 04:54
@jonahtaxt is your pump's temp basal type set to % instead of u/hr?
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 04:56
@Kdisimone nope, it's u/hr
katie disimone
@Kdisimone
Jun 20 2017 04:56
That isn't "how" I remember seeing that issue in the logs before, but it does mention %
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 04:56
this happened to me like two or three months ago
katie disimone
@Kdisimone
Jun 20 2017 04:56
Ahhh, didn't think that was it but worth looking 😜
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jun 20 2017 04:56
that says “for animal application” but is used with human sites and reservoirs, plus describes humans with t1d on the site? seems destined for issues, @rdalisky
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 04:57
yep, actually last time, I looked at the basal rates to check they were set to u/hr
so it's something else
the weird thing is that it has already happened three times, I just have to wait like a day to make it work
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 04:57
@rdalisky their "For animal application" small print disclaimer is very much contradicted by the rest of the text on their site. I wouldn't use a system like that or encourage anyone else to do so.
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 04:58
@scottleibrand I'll ask him to see if he can give me some hints as to what could be wrong. Guess it's time to learn python :worried:
thanks everyone!
Ryan Dalisky
@rdalisky
Jun 20 2017 05:10
@scottleibrand @danamlewis While I agree with your entire statement, I do think that it is going to be difficult to get Medtronic/tandem/Animas/etc. to loosen their grip. I'm trying to think outside the box, because the system you have designed is brilliant. That can be seen with my latest nightscout logs. I am more interested in trying to incorporate it into a pump for sandbox testing.
I honestly think that nothing will perform as well as OpenAPS until a two-hormone pump is into it's third or fourth iteratioon.
*iteration
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 05:17
@rdalisky if you do reach out to them, please let us know what they say.
Ryan Dalisky
@rdalisky
Jun 20 2017 05:20
@scottleibrand I will be contacting them tomorrow. Honestly i am going to take a closer look at the system, as well as other infusion pumps. Now that residency is completed I have a little more time on my hands. And when you guys are back in Seattle, say hi to Crystal Mountain for me 🤘
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 05:22
There are AndroidAPS compatible pumps like the Dana R that are approved by a number of regulatory bodies (and whose previous non-Bluetooth version is FDA approved). We don't have to risk using a completely unapproved one that might have undiscovered overdose risk.
So if a new entrant like this wants to provide an alternative to the existing medical device companies' pumps, I would hope they'll at least test their products properly and get some sort of regulatory approval somewhere before marketing and selling them for human use.
Ryan Dalisky
@rdalisky
Jun 20 2017 05:35
@scottleibrand quite honestly I'm more interested in looking at their hardware. It really depends on how much their pump costs. Because although building an open source insulin pump is a big deal, and has inherent risk, I believe it is an option worth investigating.
In other words, I have no interest in talking with a company so they can sell a package deal using OpenAPS (unless of course they ARE FDA approved). That would be a huge slap in the face to you, and to the entire #wearenotwaiting community.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 05:51
Ok. Just remember that OpenAPS is only as safe as the underlying hardware and firmware. We can count on pumps approved for human insulin dosing to dose only the amount we request, no matter what else is going on. I would not be quite so trusting of a pump whose design and manufacturing practices have not been evaluated by an organization with expertise in doing so.
Tim Street
@tim2000s
Jun 20 2017 06:10
@rdalisky That has been around for sometime and as far as I am aware is a classic bit of vapourware. It has a website but it doesn't quite make sense or add up when you dig into it.
Ryan Dalisky
@rdalisky
Jun 20 2017 06:11
I completely agree. I guess I'm looking more at developing the pump as a community. I'm just looking into the components at the moment. What about that Chinese company that was being talked about a bit ago, did that go anywhere?
Tim Street
@tim2000s
Jun 20 2017 06:16
Medtrum? No. They're still marketing but proof of any approvals is non-existent.
peterfulvi
@peterfulvi
Jun 20 2017 10:07
With a G5 transmitter doing the offline looping, can i enter my Blood glucose values using a wireless contour meter(the Bluetooth) without entering them into my pump for calibrations . Im trying not to wear the buttons down on my pump. I figured with SMB you still have to go through the bolus wizard to get the benifits of oref1.
fidoman
@efidoman
Jun 20 2017 10:22
@peterfulvi - You do not have to use the pump's bolus wizard to get the benefits of oref1. You should definitely consider entering all your carbs into NS. I would also be interested to hear if an option exists to set the MDT CGM pump calibrations via NS ... that would be a great option.
peterfulvi
@peterfulvi
Jun 20 2017 10:42
I agree. But im going to be doing the offline looping with xdprip and the G5 transmitter. The problem is part of the day i have network access the other half i dont, so im coming from the angle that when my rig can upload to NS it can do that, but i still want to enter the values regardless. You probably cannot do carb entrees in xdrip. So i probably have to still entering them manually in my pump, thats ok. Im the kind of person that is always looking at my CGM trends, so im trying to cut down the amount of times im handling my pump.
Zakm0n
@Zakm0n
Jun 20 2017 11:37
So I can't get my flaky wifi problem to go away....
dougtakeuti
@dougtakeuti
Jun 20 2017 11:44
Last night NS stopped displaying bgs only. All the pills, treatments and temp basal profile are showing correctly. Even the OpenAPS forecast seems correct. The rigs are runing ok and I do not see anything unexpected in ns-loop or pump-loop logs. glucose.json is current and correct. It so happens that the problem started when I was testing SMB, but it persists with a regular oref0 rig. The NS reports show all treatments but not bg since the problem started, 22:38 last night. I received a message from Papertrail a couple of days ago alerting that I was running at 96% capacity. Could that be the problem? Any clues? @jasoncalabrese ?
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Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 12:55
@rdalisky @danamlewis ProSul is one man operation, prosul.net, the pump is not designed with openaps in mind, no BT or RF. As you see, to avoid FDA complication or approval “for animal application”
Zakm0n
@Zakm0n
Jun 20 2017 13:03
Ok, so looking at the networking log, it looks like my edison is kicking the error after trying to get public ip 3 times and coming up blank. When it kicks the error, it tries to connect to BY. I've got my BT turned off now, so it stays on my wifi, and isn't flaky. If I have my BT on, it will ditch wifi and swap to BT for a few minutes, then back to wifi. I went into my wpa supplicant and changed my wifi ssid entry so that it wouldn't connect, let it run on BT, and it was able to get the public ip just fine, and had no errors.
Zakm0n
@Zakm0n
Jun 20 2017 13:15
The logs are showing it getting an ipv6 for public ip, then the next time it asks for public ip, it's blank. It retries 2 times, then says error, cycling networking.
Jorge Aguilar
@jonahtaxt
Jun 20 2017 13:37
@Zakm0n check my messages. It might help you. I wasn't getting a public ip either. I updated oref0-online and it is now working ok
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 15:17
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@thebookins Anyone know how to get past this problem building Loop for local G5 use?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jun 20 2017 15:46
@libxmike marketing a site to humans doesn't avoid FDA "complication" though - they're still selling a commercial product to humans that's regulated. Doesn't matter about the footnote. not to mention the site is (also illegally?) including other companies products, too (sites, reservoirs).
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 15:55
@dougtakeuti does openaps first-upload fix it?
@libxmike and even if they're not selling anything because it's vaporware, they're marketing a non-FDA approved commercial medical device for human use, which is also illegal. "Avoiding FDA complications" for a commercial basically means you have to market and sell your device in another country with easier approvals.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 16:04
and he is in SF, just phone number to order is shady, @scottleibrand @danamlewis see you tomorrow :)
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 16:08
Insulin Pump Vaporware. What a time to be alive!
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jun 20 2017 16:08
@libxmike you'll be there? Yay! Can't wait to see folks :smile:
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 16:08
yeah, I live here :)
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jun 20 2017 16:09
Yes but that doesn't mean you're not busy ;p
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 16:10
I got time and it is too hot here to do anything :)
about 90F today
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 16:47
@rdalisky "In other words, I have no interest in talking with a company so they can sell a package deal using OpenAPS (unless of course they ARE FDA approved). That would be a huge slap in the face to you, and to the entire #wearenotwaiting community.” Why would it be a slap in the face if it would work with OpenAPS? That would be a good thing, unless it is a scam. But if if it is a scam, then it is bad because it is a scam, not because it works with OpenAPS.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 16:50
@rsilvers129 because @rdalisky understands that doing so would be a huge risk to everything we're doing. it would put people in danger, and put our community's work at regulatory and legal risk.
OpenAPS is not just about people doing whatever they want. It's about giving people the tools they need to do so safely.
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 16:52
I think it is obviously possible to test something and see if it works without having to have the government say it works. The government is the reason why insulin pumps cost $6000 to begin with.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 16:54
as an individual you can't test for 1 in 1000 hardware failure modes. and a 1 in 1000 failure that significantly overdoses insulin would more likely than not put someone using OpenAPS in the hospital as our community keeps growing.
I agree that the regulatory burdens on insulin pumps are a bit too high. but the answer isn't a completely untested pump from a guy in his silicon valley garage.
on a related note, FDA just announced they'll be doing a pilot program to make it easier for device makers to get their company certified (by a private third party) for following good software design principles, so they can bring medical apps to market without premarket approval.
but that risk-based approach likely wouldn't apply to something as risky as an insulin pump: that will still need 510k clearance, for good reason.
but hopefully FDA will now be a lot more sensible about things like the Dana R / RS that have Bluetooth capabilities
marafie
@marafie
Jun 20 2017 16:58
@scottleibrand is their an entity that can audit the coding that their is no bugs ?
Like an audit firm?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 16:58
no, they don't expect bug-free code: that would be impossible. they expect you to follow good software design practices to find and fix safety-critical bugs, etc.
marafie
@marafie
Jun 20 2017 17:01
We usually hire an audit firm to audit that our complicated financial models are correct and their is not mis use of variables or errors in links
Is their a company that sells OEM insulin pumps that they have for them FDA approval ?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 17:03
That I don't know. But that would be a good approach to expediting approval and cutting down on cost.
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 17:03
Couldn't the same one in 1000 argument be used against OpenAps or Loop? They are not representing it as an FDA approved medical device.
But yeah, I would not partner with them or anything. Not suggesting that. I am just saying don't lobby against them either.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 17:04
@rsilvers129 you can limit the scope of possible actions that OpenAPS can take by your pump settings. (Please read the reference design on OpenAPS.org if you haven't.) You can't really limit the potential actions that a pump can take, except by the quantity of insulin in the reservoir.
@rsilvers129 I don't have any problem with them trying to develop a pump. I do have a problem with anyone in our community thinking that it'd be ok to use a pump that hasn't been safety tested, and somehow thinking that it'll be fine because they're using OpenAPS.
marafie
@marafie
Jun 20 2017 17:09
@scottleibrand 👍🏻
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Jun 20 2017 17:30
I did find a company last fall that sells insulin pumps for veterinary use, here in California. But obviously they would not sell to me for this application.
I see I have recycled back to ProSul, above….
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 17:48
My basic final decision on "DIY Insulin Pump" that I came to through all the various conversations about the idea we've held is this: If someone wants to do it, I support them - but I don't think its the "fix" to the OpenAPS community's whole "6 year old medtronic pump" issue.
I think that hardware-level access of newer pumps (as a last straw) is still a safer idea then a complete DIY solution.
Tho there is a huge part of me that wants to watch someone else do it.
From a purely scientific standpoint, I'd be interested in seeing it happen. haha
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 17:54
@applehat support for new pumps is coming for AAPS, Roche Combo may be the next one
for now just Dana R (not in US) works with AAPS but will see what else can be hacked
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 17:56
Im trying to get the hardware together to try and figure out the 802.15.4 comms on the Medtronic 600 series as well.
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Jun 20 2017 17:58
I also thought that dana r pumps were on their way to the US
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:00
Good things potentially on the horizon, then =)
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:01
It seems to me that the objection to this pump is that they are charging money for it. If I built it myself, for my own use, it would be thought of differently. It is hard to give away hardware like one gives away software though.
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Jun 20 2017 18:07
if I was making something like this and truly wanted it to be "free" I would look into licensing first https://www.oshwa.org/faq/ if not you could get knee deep into your project only to find that someone took your work and patented it. Then, all your work goes to someone who can use it for profit and you see none of the returns.
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:07
I think the biggest worry is also, in the end, safety.
We are 99% confident that an FDA approved pump will deliver 1u when we ask for 1u.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:08
then you will see clones from china like Prusa i3 clones with wobbling leadscrews, no thanks :)
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:09
Its cool @libxmike - Just print a oldham coupler and it will be fine =P
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 18:10
@applehat yes. and more importantly, we are something like 99.99% confident that a pump approved by a regulatory body will not deliver more than 1.1U when we ask for 1U.
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Jun 20 2017 18:10
safety is always first. and an opensource pump would be awesome
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:10
@applehat no, I just buy the original from Josef and even let him sign it :)
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 18:12
@rsilvers129 my primary objection to this (or any such) pump is that it's untested and potentially unsafe. the fact that it's being marketed and/or sold for human use is what makes it illegal. but it's also illegal to sell pumps approved outside the US for use in the US, and that is unlikely to be unsafe. safety is the primary objective here.
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:13
It is also possibly illegal under certain conditions to buy insulin from Canada, so I prefer not to get into the illegal aspect. I think the unsafe part is the part to think about a lot. Anyone buying it would be responsible for their own testing. Personally, I can’t think of why it would make sense since the Medtronic pumps are not that hard to find. I looked at their website, and I don’t think anyone is being mislead into thinking it is an approved medical device that is proven safe for human use.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 18:15
agreed. I think that is the crux of the issue: there are far safer options readily available.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:16
is it illegal to buy in canada?!
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 18:16
which "it" are you referring to?
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Jun 20 2017 18:16
it all depends on how you buy any of it
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:16
Yes, I have had no problem getting loopable medtronic pumps.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:16
as I lived in US in the '90 insulin was chaap
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:17
I'd argue that whole loopable medtronic pumps are easily found, they are expensive... but that argument is pretty moot in this discussion since a DIY pump wouldn't be a cheap venture either.
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:17
@applehat I don’t consider used Medtronic pumps to be expensive. If you h
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:17
@applehat I see you got the new version, still got the old one :) http://i.imgur.com/PwzsfXH.jpg
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:19
@rsilvers129 compared to a new medtronic pump? Nah, they aren't expensive - But I know as a 28 year old father of 2 in a single income household, even with a decent career, I don't often have $500 just sitting around not already earmarked for something. It took me a bit to find and afford a pump, personally.
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:20
@applehat So yes. $500 will get you a Medtronic loopable pump no problem and within a week. So it comes down to if that is expensive or not. $6000 for a new one is outragiously expensive.
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:23
It was easier for me (after insurance and payment plans) to get ahold on my 530g then it was for me to get my 722 for $500.
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:23
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My rig hung for 35 minutes, and I saw this in the log.
Should I just out in a script to reboot if it is not working for 30 minutes?
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:23
about the insulin cost, here in most EU countries if you pay private (but insurance pays in full) it is something like 120EUR for 10x3ml in US now about $1000 !!!
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:24
@libxmike Insulin is never $1000 in the US.
The most I have heard of is $300. Old-style Regular is $25 at Walmart.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:24
5x Humalog Pen about $500
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:25
I just know the biggest answer I got when I did my Twitter poll for "why are you not looping yet" was affordability.
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:25
That is $300 per 10ml.
Humalog is $25 per 10ml in Canada.
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:26
@rsilvers129 did you need a script from your US Endo to get FIAsp shipped?
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:26
@rsilvers129 OK, hmm, I saw receipt for 5x Humalog Pen
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:27

No. So there are two ways I have found to get insulin shipped to the US. One is to use Mark’s Pharmarcy. They will write a script for you, and double the price, and get it to you for about $80 a bottle, maybe more like $90 after shipping. The other way is to get it from a Canada pharmacy that won’t ship to the US, like DiabetesExpress. That is $30 a bottle. But then you need a Canadian address. I used Clevvermail.

But there is no reason to pay $300 a bottle for insulin, unless you can’t figure out how to buy it from Canada.

Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:29
Maybe I'll try and get a bottle. I wanna try it out but $30 a bottle is substantially more then I pay after insurance
I get 5x bottles for $30.
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Jun 20 2017 18:29
wow 30 a bottle is cheaper than what I pay and I have insurance
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:31
I see I got wrong information about insulin price in the US, so it is about same as I paid in the '90
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:31
I am fortunate enough to have some pretty good insurance.
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:31
Oh, it will be a lot more than $30 a bottle. That is the price in Canada. You still have to pay for shipping to the US.
I have good insurance too. I pay about $6 a bottle for Humalog.
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:32
@rsilvers129 here's your chance to become an underground diabetes drug lorg.
:p
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:33
Anyone can buy it from Canada for the same prices. Again, there is no reason why people are complaining about $300 a bottle insulin. If you think it is too expensive, then buy it from Canada. I bought my mountain bike tires from Germany, and my pedals from England. This is a world economy now. It comes down to knowledge on what to do.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:34
good for people who live right at the border where you cross the street to go to US or Canada w/o border control )
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Jun 20 2017 18:34
that is the good part, if you live close you just cross but a 3 months supply and cross back and delair it
and you are safe by the law
but=buy
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:36
@applehat Well, my friend bought five pumps for $2000 total within a week, no problem, on eBay, and one came with two-years worth of supplies. I think if you put a WTB on Craigslist for old insulin pumps, and mentioned $500, you would get a dozen people busting down your door. I had a guy begging me to buy his for $300 and I said no as that one was not loopable and I didn’t need another. Many people get them and just never use them, and they sit in a drawer.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:39
I also got relative new from 2015 Roche Combo (for AAPS) from craigslist equivalent in germany with year worth of supplies for 375EUR, you pay that just for the supplies
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:39
@diabetic_dude_twitter There is no concern of the law. Never once ever in the history of the USA has anyone been in trouble with the law for buying a three months personal supply of insulin for themselves. Just declair it properly. What I would never do is misrepessent it.
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:40
I actually recently picked up a 630g and 3 months of supplies for $35 - hence me wanting to try and reverse it.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:42
that's a steal ! even as a paperweight :)
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:42
I know!
@libxmike if nothing else, its a reliable backup if my 722 ever dies.
I'd rather have a non-looping pump them fall back to injections lol
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:43
Aside from the three pumps I bought from Medtronic, all of my other loopable pumps were free. I just asked and said what I wanted them for. One woman in a nearby town left two in her mailbox for me.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:44
I have 522 as backup for 754
Andy Sharrow
@dramageek
Jun 20 2017 18:44
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Pharmacist: "Here's your prescription. That will be.. OH GOD. Um. Well, I mean, you have insurance? Don't you?"
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:44
@rsilvers129 I've tried putting it out there that Im looking for them, but I don't have a big network.
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:45
Yeah, well, I wouldn’t dream of just going to CVS and picking up insulin.
Andy Sharrow
@dramageek
Jun 20 2017 18:45
Thankfully, I do and they didn't have it in the system correctly.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:45
@dramageek thank you, I was then not wrong !
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:45
Even with my insurance, I woudn’t go to a pharmacy. Co-pay is larger than mail-order. Mail order is 3-months supply per co-pay. Local pharmacy is 60 days for same co-pay.
Andy Sharrow
@dramageek
Jun 20 2017 18:47
I'm still leery about having insulin shipped. I mail-order all the rest of the supplies, but I'd rather know what conditions the insulin has been through.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:47
I'm glad I moved back to EU and escaped all the drug price and insurance hassle
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:48
@dramageek It comes in a foam cooler with ice packs. Believe me, the methods for shipping insulin are well understood. How do you think it gets to CVS?
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:48
@libxmike At least all my other hobbies (...is diabetes a hobby now?) are better off in the US then the EU =P
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 18:49
There are way more loopable pumps in the US because Europe didn’t stick with them as long since they have faster approvals for upgrades.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:49
that for sure, I miss the other prices and product variety in US, but the price diff is not that big as 10-15 years ago
marafie
@marafie
Jun 20 2017 18:52
@rsilvers129 I bought 6 722 used pumps for usd 430 each from Ukraine 1 month ago and he still has several pumps for sale
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:52
I am not sure I can legally build a flame thrower in the EU, and thats a freedom I just don't think I can live without. =/
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:53
sure you can
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:54
Can I do it in my backyard without seeking approval of any regulatory body?
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:55
yes
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 18:56
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Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 18:56
if you not running with it in the neighborhood
hmm, cant have projectile
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 19:02
My friend, who happens to be a T1 running OpenAPS refurbishes military stuff as his job, so he actually buys and sells flamethrowers in case anyone wants a hookup. I am sure he would trade one for enough pumps.
Mike
@libxmike
Jun 20 2017 19:04
I see the ad on craigslist, trade flamethrower for an insulin pump :)
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 19:05
I want a crate of Russian M93's covered in cosmoline. Will trade for 1 pump.
dougtakeuti
@dougtakeuti
Jun 20 2017 19:06
@scottleibrand I had reached my limit on MongoDB. @Kdisimone helped me out with that, but I also had to do openaps first-upload to fix it.
Geoff Aumaugher
@geoffro10
Jun 20 2017 19:08
Well, I think my Edison is fried. I have reflashed it twice and can't get rid of the two lights and errors. Anyone have any idea what I can do to try and fix?
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Sorry... I mean my Explorer board
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 19:18
Does ccprog complete successfully? Can you paste the command and output?
Ryan Dalisky
@rdalisky
Jun 20 2017 19:27
@scottleibrand @danamlewis is there any way I could call or skype you two? I would like to talk about a few things I have been mulling over.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jun 20 2017 19:35
@rdalisky want to PM some times that work for you toward the tail end of next week? We get back on Monday.
Ryan Dalisky
@rdalisky
Jun 20 2017 19:38
Done @danamlewis .
jburke41
@jburke41
Jun 20 2017 21:33
I forgot my password for juilinux. Is there anyway to reset it? Or delete juilinux off of the Intel Edison and reflash?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 21:41
You can try logging in as either root or edison
If you can't get in as either of those, it's easiest to reflash.
jburke41
@jburke41
Jun 20 2017 22:03
Neither worked
Will try the reflash
JELCRAWFORD
@JELCRAWFORD
Jun 20 2017 22:09
@applehat count us in on interested if anything can be done with the reverse engineering of the 630g - we also have a nice shiny 'backup' one also - though it was bought through insurance right before we changed plans - definitely NOT $35 retail - it's the only pump in the house on warranty and it is safely in its original box.... I'm sure there is a boat load of people who'd really like the communication protocols to be determined....
Matt Walker
@walker0
Jun 20 2017 22:46
@JELCRAWFORD the protocols for the 630g are the same as the 640g I believe, those protocols have been decoded and can be used to use Nightscout with those pumps. The issue is that those pumps don't have a protocol to send temp basals remotely so they won't be Loop able with a system like OpenAPS or loop that is reliant on temp basals.
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 22:49
@walker0 the USB protocol for the Contour Next Link has been figured out (and is what's used to download). There's still parts of the USB protocol that aren't understood, and the 802.15.4 Wireless protocol hasn't been investigated at all. It may still be possible to loop with a 600-series pump in OpenAPS / Loop depending on what is found with the OTA protocol.
JELCRAWFORD
@JELCRAWFORD
Jun 20 2017 22:51
@walker0 -yes, I understand the basic problem, but boo anyhow - given that the older pumps will start to become increasingly scarce, maybe a different solution will be found or a workaround of some sort determined. I think the commercially available options are many, many years behind OpenAPS in terms of features.... I'm sure there are many who wouldn't have believed this group could - with our fearless leaders, Dana and Scott at the helm - create what we currently have, so I will maintain hope!
Ryan Dalisky
@rdalisky
Jun 20 2017 22:51
@applehat What would someone have to learn/Where would someone start to try and gain access to 600 series pumps?
Phil
@drnoname82_twitter
Jun 20 2017 22:51
@marafie What was the condition of the pumps? Does he have 522 for sale as well?
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 22:55
The 600 series uses 802.15.4 (a documented standard) - we just need to figure out the encryption used. If someone dumps the firmware off a Contour Next Link, it could probably be figured out.
@rdalisky ^
A 802.15.4 sniffer would be helpful too - to figure out the protocol.
I don't have a Contour Next Link 2.4 meter tho - the pump I got didn't come with one.
Luuc
@luucvp_twitter
Jun 20 2017 23:02
@applehat I have a contour next link and would love to help
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 23:06
Well the process involves (probably) breaking the Contour Next Link - so a donor one would be necessary.
(also it needs to be a Next Link 2.4 - the one that shipped with the 530g is no good)
Luuc
@luucvp_twitter
Jun 20 2017 23:08
Okay okay, think that will be possible
Will get in touch with you tomorrow!
Cameron Chunn
@applehat
Jun 20 2017 23:09
@luucvp_twitter OK, cool :)
If you miss me on here, feel free to find me on Twitter or Facebook.
Luuc
@luucvp_twitter
Jun 20 2017 23:09
Sure! :)
marafie
@marafie
Jun 20 2017 23:38
@phil he has only 722 model and the remaining are 6 pcs only ... they work fine some small scratches on the body but minor
Phil
@drnoname82_twitter
Jun 20 2017 23:42
@marafie Are you in Ukraine as well or did you have them shipped to the EU? If so, did you have any customs problems?
marafie
@marafie
Jun 20 2017 23:42
No i am in kuwait
The 1st time I ordered 3 via a fiends who lives in Odessa then when I decided to buy 3 more I paid via PayPal and send to him fedex for pickup
I didn't trust him
So I sent my friend from Odessa to Kiev to pay him in hand and pick them up
jburke41
@jburke41
Jun 20 2017 23:45
@scottleibrand Tried to reflash, but keep getting this message and still incorrect login and password...is there a way to "unflash?" alt
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 23:47
Flashing happens at lower level than the rig passwords. So your inability to flash is probably unrelated to that.
jburke41
@jburke41
Jun 20 2017 23:48
@scottleibrand any idea what it might be? Do you know what "Flashing already done" means?
rsilvers129
@rsilvers129
Jun 20 2017 23:48
PayPal has purchase protection. It's entire purpose is to make non-in person purchases safe. https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/paypal-safety-and-security
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jun 20 2017 23:53
@jburke41 I'd run through the flash troubleshooting docs.
Ryan Dalisky
@rdalisky
Jun 20 2017 23:59
@applehat it just so happens that my puppy chewed on my nextlink 2.4, damaging only the screen. It still transmits the reading though! Send me a private message if this could be of use.