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Sep 2017
Andy Sharrow
@dramageek
Sep 05 2017 00:04
Re: Communication Channels- personally speaking, it would be hugely helpful for some abbreviated form of this chat.
I try to follow this as often as I can, but frequently life happens and I miss it for a couple of days in a row. At that point, it's too much to try and catch up on. Anybody have any idea on a good way to do that?
I'm picturing something that would be in addition to this, not a replacement. It's hugely beneficial in it's current form, it'd just be nice to have a way to catch up with everything in less time.
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Sep 05 2017 00:07
changed to a new explorer board. common experience is that after rebooting it takes many minutes for first mmtune attempt. what governs this wait? I know I can force it by killing all and mmtune by hand as an experiment
Billy Forester
@acezone
Sep 05 2017 00:16
@dramageek moving it to slack would allow for more options like you are talking about. You can easily read through missed messages etc and it’s similar to this
Of course the owners would need to move it lol
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Sep 05 2017 00:17
flashed newly arrived board with ccprog - but somehow mmtune failed !
marafie
@marafie
Sep 05 2017 00:34
Hi .... does omni pod tubeless pump works with openAPS ?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 00:34
@dramageek how do you find Fbk, for general updates/summaries of what's happening in the other channels? @acezone downside to Slack is it's not publicly available, so non-ideal for people being able to lurk/learn/watch
@marafie nope. people are working on cracking the comms (trying), but it's not doable at the moment.
marafie
@marafie
Sep 05 2017 00:35
Thanks
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 00:35
there is an OpenAPS slack for people looping on OpenAPS, that i'm bad about batch-adding people to. however, I don't think it solves the problem here, which is desired for high level updates
if there's that much interest, I can try to do a batch update post on Fbk highlighting troubleshooting, changes, etc. from the week-ish
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 00:42
@cbrenner the reason for moving ~/myopenaps/ is that's easier than re-doing the git repo inside it (~/myopenaps/.git)
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 00:44
@scottleibrand Before I do this do you want to run reports manually to narrow in on the problem?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 00:44
@peterfulvi the problem there is that your pump time doesn't match the rig time. it's trying to set the pump time, but can only do that if it has ntp working. you can just set it manually if you want.
@cbrenner if this (or 0.5.3) fixes it, I'm not too interested in a deep dive, unless you want to drive it. saving a copy of the old directory makes it possible to do that even after you confirm the new one is fixed
@mhaeberli there is an update we're testing for 0.5.3 that forces an mmtune if the rig hasn't looped within the last 15m. let me go merge it so you can test that.
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Sep 05 2017 00:47
@scottleibrand np thx
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 00:54
@scottleibrand Ok. I'll create a new/clean myopenaps directory and copy the old into a backup and let you know if the problems still exists . So, if i recall, I need to make a copy of the preference and WiFi settings and probably the Autotune directory and copy this back to the new myopenaps directory. I'm guessing there's going to be a bit of a system retraining for a period of time since I'm quashing the existing myopenaps directory.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 00:58
no retraining will be needed if you copy autotune over
wifi settings are systemwide in /etc, so no need to muck with them
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Sep 05 2017 00:59
thx scott
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 00:59
and yes, you'll want to copy your preferences.json if you've changed anything since running oref0-setup
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 01:01
@scottleibrand Sorry, i meant copying my "wpa_supplicant.conf " since i have added several WiFi networks to the rig
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 01:06
you're not reflashing the rig, so your wpa_supplicant.conf will be untouched
you're only doing mv ~/myopenaps ~/backup-myopenaps or similar
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Sep 05 2017 01:16
our T1 (18 yrs old) claims that her newly tweaked openaps with the new edison board is making beeping noises on occasion … how is that possibilistic?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 01:18
it's probably her pump
if the alert type isn't vibrate, it'll beep every hour due to the running temp basal
LilDucky
@LilDucky
Sep 05 2017 01:18
@mhaeberli the pump can beep / vibrate when receiving a temp basal if I recall correctly
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Sep 05 2017 01:18
she says ‘I know how pumps sound, and it’s NOT the pump’ :-)
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 01:19
there are no sound-producing components on the edison or the explorer board.
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Sep 05 2017 01:19
(makes twilight zone sound effect)
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 01:19
is it a "normal" beep noise, or something that might indicate failing hardware?
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Sep 05 2017 01:20
it went ba-ba-bab in descending notes 10 times
(quoth My awesomesauce daughter)
Eden
if we can capture a recording in the wild (not soon, i think) we’ll send it along
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 01:21
I don't recognize that description. you might want to double-check the alert settings on both the pump and Dexcom receiver
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Sep 05 2017 01:22
k thx - dexcom app in our case, but ok …
PopcornPam
@PopcornPam_twitter
Sep 05 2017 01:25
Hey, I think there is something wrong with my smb. it keeps saying no smb needed, but it seems like they are in fact needed, and also, I have not had a single smb in over a week. I reinstalled on Saturday, and the smb loop is running, but not doing anything
I am running master with smb enabled for all 4
also, seeing this adj. req. rate: 2.7 to maxSafeBasal: 2.673 despite my max iob being 3, and my max basal is 5
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 01:37
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maxSafeBasal uses the 3x and 4x multipliers
PopcornPam
@PopcornPam_twitter
Sep 05 2017 01:38
ah, and those are best to leave as is?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 01:38
can you find an example of where it was hitting maxSafeBasal and should have been SMB'ing but wasn't, and paste the entire pump-loop.log for that run?
if you have SMB working, you won't stay at maxSafeBasal for long: the SMBs will give you the extra insulin
so let's focus on that first
PopcornPam
@PopcornPam_twitter
Sep 05 2017 01:39
enact/smb-suggested.json: {"insulinReq":1.03,"bg":227,"reservoir":"28.4","temp":"absolute","snoozeBG":165,"predBGs":{"IOB":[227,235,241,247,252,255,258,259,260,259,257,254,250,246,242,238,234,230,226,222,218,214,211,208,205,202,199,196,193,191,188,185,183,181,178,176,174,172,170,168,166,165]},"minPredBG":163,"IOB":1.779,"reason":"COB: 0, Dev: 81, BGI: -4.69, ISF: 80, Target: 80, minPredBG 163, IOBpredBG 165; Eventual BG 165 >= 80, adj. req. rate: 2.85 to maxSafeBasal: 2.673, temp 2.6<2.65U/hr. 21m left and 2.6 ~ req 2.65U/hr: no temp required","COB":0,"eventualBG":165,"tick":"+9","deliverAt":"2017-09-05T01:34:05.240Z"}
Also, I have just (don't ask me why I didn't do this a few days ago) switched from my rig#3 to rig#2, and it is immediately SMB'ing,
Back info: Somehow everything got messed up on Aug 28 (not sure how, I don't remember doing anything with the rig that night), where smb stopped and pushovers stopped. Turned out that smb was NOT enabled in the runagain script, so on Saturday I reinstalled oref fresh
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 01:57
That's nowhere near the entire pump-loop.log for that run, but sounds like you should just re-run setup on rig 3 and copy preferences and autotune from rig 2
PopcornPam
@PopcornPam_twitter
Sep 05 2017 02:02
ok
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 03:12
@/all All of the open PRs to oref0 dev have now been merged, so openaps/oref0#591 is ready for one final round of testing. If no blocking bugs are found in the next couple days, we'll probably do the 0.5.3 release this week.
Terri Lyman
@tatigger
Sep 05 2017 03:14
Thank you
Martin Haeberli
@mhaeberli
Sep 05 2017 03:50
@scottleibrand :+1:
RamiLaakso
@RamiLaakso
Sep 05 2017 10:15
I was trying to find out if there is a max on zerotemping on OpenAPS, but at least did not find an editable pref on it at https://openaps.readthedocs.io/en/latest/docs/While%20You%20Wait%20For%20Gear/preferences-and-safety-settings.html#commonly-adjusted-preferences. Is there a fixed value?
max time...
peterfulvi
@peterfulvi
Sep 05 2017 11:03
@scottleibrand Thanks that seemed to work back in the loop again.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 14:16
@RamiLaakso oref0 will zero temp for up to 2 hours if needed. that is rare unless you have way too much insulin and are dropping quickly, or are in SMB mode and have already received much of the needed meal insulin via (micro)bolus.
RamiLaakso
@RamiLaakso
Sep 05 2017 15:44
@scottleibrand Thanks Scott! We met the endo today for the first time after starting looping and I could not answer that one. After just 4 weeks of looping HbA1c down from 63 to 54 for the teen.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 16:02
:clap:
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 16:32
<3
fjungman
@fjungman
Sep 05 2017 16:57
@scottleibrand @danamlewis @betluis I see I started a bit of a discussion yesterday. For the record, I searched Gitter looking for the answer on the "pill" issue. Had I read the docs, I still probably would NOT have thought that was my problem. I always referred to the database as MongoDB (not Mlab), and the last time I logged in was early-2015, when I set it up, along with Azure. I donated my data, cleared out the DB, and POOF, it is working well now! Thanks for the guidance. I also never heard of "TheLoopedGroup" on FB. I'll join that. I guess the problem is that I was in too early, and as Luis said, once it becomes stable, you are not going to go read through the docs again to see what's been added. FB is probably the right forum for asking redundant/ignorant questions, such as mine, as that pretty much describes most dialog on FB. Thinking through different forums I've used on the interwebs, for Q&A, Gitter is probably the worst, some professional Q&A sites have a nice layout, the ones where answers can be up-voted and then marked "SOLVED" and the actual solution brought to the top. That might be the right solution here, as those forums have nice search capability, good threading of answers and ranking. Thanks again, to you folks for all that you do!
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 17:36
:+1:
Kevin Wells
@wkcwells
Sep 05 2017 18:36
Hi all. I am facing the mlab 500MB limit. I’d like to keep my historical data, but $15 / mo. is too pricey for me. Are there any more economical options?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 18:36
compact
other option includes uploading to Open Humans. (working with someone who's helping code up a fix to the data transfer tool so you can grab and store multiple runs of data, in case you need to clean out for some reason. so if you've already uploaded, wait a few days and should be able to do a second upload)
Kevin Wells
@wkcwells
Sep 05 2017 18:38
That’s the next question :smile: I ran the repairDatabase command in mlab 3 times, and it did not reduce the “Size on disk” at all. I waited at least 30 minutes, but still no luck. Are there any known issues with the compact?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 18:38
try again
4th time is the charm? :)
Andy Sharrow
@dramageek
Sep 05 2017 18:44
@wkcwells I backed up to Openhumans, downloaded a copy of everything for a local backup (just in case), then deleted the DeviceStatus table in mlab. Nightscout can still pull everything it needs for reports that way.
The Entries and Treatments tables are all Nightscout needs for reporting, I think.
After you delete, make sure to compact again :)
Kevin Wells
@wkcwells
Sep 05 2017 18:53
After attempts 4 and 5, no change. It doesn’t take very long to apparently finish the command. Is that expected?
katie disimone
@Kdisimone
Sep 05 2017 18:53
@wkcwells my Mlab compaction is super frustrating sometimes too. Unfortunately sometimes the kick start it needs is to delete one collection's docs. Then the repair database command seems to go better. I suppose you could try deleting just a couple docs if you wanted to save most of them and see if that gives it the same kick start
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 18:54
don't delete device status!
katie disimone
@Kdisimone
Sep 05 2017 18:55
I knew dana would say that. But, that's the collection I typically clean out. The treatments one is too valuable to me for NS reports. Dana would like you to donate the device status to open humans before you clear that collection. 😜
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 18:56
#donatebeforeyoudelete
Kevin Wells
@wkcwells
Sep 05 2017 18:58
I deleted food, which was basically empty. Everything else looks important. Still no change :worried:
Jake Punshon
@JakePunshon
Sep 05 2017 19:09
Is there an approved method for totally turning off WIFI to save power? I'm on a permanent BT tethered connection and it would be nice to reduce the power consumption to a minimum especially with a 6 day backcountry camping trip coming up.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 19:10
@JakePunshon I'd consider setting up for offline looping in that case
Jake Punshon
@JakePunshon
Sep 05 2017 19:11
yeah i am set up for offline, but looking at cron, it's still got an entry to query the wifi
@danamlewis whenever i reboot i try to remember to do a "ifdown wlan0" but that doesn't feel very elegant
Zu8uw9
@Zu8uw9
Sep 05 2017 19:15
Dear all, I'm so excited - got my edison just yesterday and went through the installation quite smoothly; had collected a numer of week of data (Freestyle - limitter - xdrip - NS during night & Roche pumpe + Freestyle via diasend - export - NSloader for the rest) - it's such a promising work you have done !!
... but it doesn't start looping .... ;-((

as far as I sorted thing out I take from the nightscout trail

ns://JSON/shell/cgm/ns-glucose.json
No JSON object could be decoded
that sth with the CGM data reading in NS doesn't fit - openaps seems to lack present BG data ?!?!

Zu8uw9
@Zu8uw9
Sep 05 2017 19:24
as @wkcwells was talking about tables in mlab: is there a table CGM expeced ? I#ve got devicestatus, entries, food, profile, treatments, treatments_loads
... is there anything missing ?
... which format should the cgm data have in the mlab table ?
Does anybody know an answer ???
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 19:40
CGM data is in entries (the original table named back when that's all there was)
@JakePunshon not sure that shutting off the wifi in software saves you anything in terms of power usage.
Jake Punshon
@JakePunshon
Sep 05 2017 19:53
@scottleibrand I'd actually like to disable it, so its not running at all. I am assuming this is possible since part of the setup is getting wifi enabled. I was just wondering if anyone had already tried this or if I should be documenting my steps thoroughly for others in a similar situation.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 19:55
I think the wifi radio is active regardless of whether wifi is configured. You might be able to find some iwconfig commands to put it into power save mode, but not sure.
Jake Punshon
@JakePunshon
Sep 05 2017 19:57
OK, i guess that's what i'm really after, shutting down the wifi radio. I'm sure that would save a significant amount of power.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 19:57
I'm not sure of that, but you could try it.
Kate Farnsworth
@ELUTE
Sep 05 2017 20:07
Has anyone seen this before?
Screen Shot 2017-09-05 at 4.07.31 PM
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katie disimone
@Kdisimone
Sep 05 2017 20:11
@JakePunshon @scottleibrand couldn’t ifconfig wlan0 down work? Or alternatively you could edit the network interfaces file to keep the wpa_supplicant.conf commented out?
Jake Punshon
@JakePunshon
Sep 05 2017 20:11
I'm thinking first iwconfig wlan0 txpower off, then ifconfig wlan0 disable
katie disimone
@Kdisimone
Sep 05 2017 20:12
ah, yes…that would probably be better
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 20:17
I think iwconfig wlan0 txpower off is the only command that actually matters for radio power usage. not sure how to test if it's working, except maybe to power the Edison (without a battery) off a very sensitive USB amp-meter and see if disabling it reduces current draw
Jake Punshon
@JakePunshon
Sep 05 2017 20:21
I don't have that, but i have a clock, so I'll do a full charge to battery drain both ways and compare the time difference.
maybe i'll use a 500mah battery so it's not a 3 day test
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 20:23
@ELUTE git corruption is common enough that we've disabled the use of git entirely by default on new 0.6.0-dev installs. if you're using that branch, you can move your ~/myopenaps/ directory to a backup location and re-run oref0-setup, and it will set up a new one without a ~/myopenaps/.git/ folder. if you're not already using it, you can wipe out your .git manually to clear the issue for now, and then switch over to --nogit once we release 0.5.3 and merge 0.6.0-dev to the dev branch.
@JakePunshon make sure that the test rig is in a controlled situation: maybe disable cron so that variable pump radio use doesn't throw off your results.
Jake Punshon
@JakePunshon
Sep 05 2017 20:25
good idea
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 20:30
(that will also disable all the CPU-intensive stuff that oref0 does)
Brian Rabinovitz
@bdr1177
Sep 05 2017 20:37
@danamlewis @dramageek Following up on the discussion about communication yesterday and Dana's suggestion of periodic update posts on facebook, I would definitely find that helpful. Gitter is great for real-time troubleshooting, but doesn't seem that great for keeping up with important updates. If I don't get a chance to go on Gitter for a few days, I feel a bit disoriented trying to get back into the flow of the conversation and figure out what has happened since the last time I checked in.
Jake Punshon
@JakePunshon
Sep 05 2017 20:38
@scottleibrand I found some guy's tests that he did with some more accurate measuring equipment... idle but with wifi on, 50mA... wifi file transfer @2MB/s 120mA, so I'm thinking that while the wifi is idle, your original assessment is correct - that it won't save much power. I thought the wifi radio was drawing much more than that. I think i'll have to take the rig to a place where I can hook it up to better instruments to properly test the power draw.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 20:53
@bdr1177 k. I'll work on some ICYMI-type weekly lookback posts for Fbk in Looped. that seems doable vs creating YetAnotherChannel that we have to keep updated with duplicate info. When we do the 0.5.3 release I'll also send out an openaps-dev email with some recaps (like I did with the 0.5.x email), and remind people to join the Fbk group and/or make sure their email settings are set to let all those emails through since that's not a high-volume listserv and is where we also plan to send out batch updates when we have them. Fbk can be more regular, though. @dramageek @betluis
Brian Rabinovitz
@bdr1177
Sep 05 2017 20:56
👍
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 21:06
Is there anyway to remotely login to the rig and make changes when NOT on the same network (i.e., w/o connecting a cable to the UART port)? I'm not speaking of monitoring here (I already have Papertrail setup for that). There have been a several occasions when I've had to make changes to my son's rig when he is at another location and I've had to meet him and physically connect to the rig--which is super impractical. Remote management is pretty standard stuff so thought I'd ask.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 21:09
you'd have to set up a VPN or reverse ssh tunneling solution, neither of which is documented
mostly because setting up a secure remote access solution that anyone (who doesn't already administer their own secure server) could implement is a significant design and engineering challenge
the closest we've gotten is @ptinson's work with openvpn.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 21:18
I use the reverse ssh tunnel solution, since I already run a secure VM that I trust
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Sep 05 2017 21:21
I had to re set up one of my rigs but am getting errors when trying to run oref0
# To run again with these same options, use:
oref0-setup --dir=/root/myopenaps --serial=**** --cgm=G5 --ns-host=https://****.herokuapp.com --api-secret=**** --tty=/dev/spidev5.1 --max_iob=30 --enable=' autosens  autotune  meal  microbolus ' --radio_locale='US' --btmac='*:*:*:*' --pushover_token='NO SPAM' --pushover_user='****'

Continue? y/[N] y
Checking /root/myopenaps: Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/openaps", line 170, in <module>
    app( )
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openaps/cli/__init__.py", line 51, in __call__
    self.run(self.args)
  File "/usr/local/bin/openaps", line 155, in run
    builtins.dispatch(args, self)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openaps/builtins.py", line 44, in dispatch
    command(args)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openaps/init.py", line 6, in init
    if args.args[1] == '--nogit':
IndexError: list index out of range
Can't init /root/myopenaps
root@in10aps:~#
what did I do wrong?
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 21:21
which version of oref0?
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Sep 05 2017 21:22
was trying to do master but didnt work got the same error
so tried dev
and got the same
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 21:22
also, redact your pushover token out of that paste
or someone might be able to spam your phone with notifications. :)
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Sep 05 2017 21:22
AUGH ok lol
figured I would miss one of the important bits there
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 21:24
looks like you got an updated version of openaps that wants --nogit but aren't using 0.6.0-dev that supports that. did you try the 0.6.0-dev setup at some point?
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Sep 05 2017 21:24
I did was getting communication errors so I removed SRC and myopeaps and thought that would start me over ]
it was working for like an hour then just lost communication for 1.5 hours
did not want to bother anyone with troubleshooting an alpha that I should not be running with out knowing the code better so figure I would revert
(then I got caught with my hand in the cookie jar)
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 21:27
you'll need to roll back your openaps version as well. or you can try an openaps init --nogit or similar (from ~/myopenaps/) manually first before running oref0-setup
or if this is a dev rig we can go back to 0.6.0-dev and troubleshoot those issues. I wouldn't recommend running 0.6.0-dev on a main rig at this point though
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Sep 05 2017 21:30
I have two openaps and one riley
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 21:31
ok, your call. if we can't get your dev rig working you can always reflash it
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Sep 05 2017 21:31
0.6.0 is the way I would like to go
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 21:32
@scottleibrand Ok, so the answer for us commoners is, no :worried:
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 21:35
@cbrenner not yet. but if you'd like to build a solution, you could probably start with @ptinson's work and figure something out.
@diabetic_dude_twitter ok, feel free to give that another shot and hit me up later if you're having issues with it.
Diabetic_Dude
@diabetic_dude_twitter
Sep 05 2017 21:35
cool already working on that running global install again now
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 22:02
@bdr1177 @betluis @dramageek & anyone else interested in more high level updates: https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheLoopedGroup/permalink/1915802595303064/
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 22:08
Did anyone have the same reaction I did to the recent Tandem t:slim X2 announcement with integrated G5…very slick (compared to Medtronics sustained antiquated UX) but underwhelming and disappointing. Really? Medtronics introduces commercial availability of a closed loop and you’re making waves about CGM integration with a Tandem closed loop likely a year away. My son has been using a Tandem t-slim for 4.5 years and we recently stopped using it to move to the OpenAPS and an older 722 pump…super disappointed to have to go to the 722 but even more disappointed that Tandem is so far out on their closed loop system. What’s even more bewildering? Making their system interfaces available publicly could be a huge competitive advantage and help them immensely in getting out from behind the 8-ball and keep their existing customer base and potentially add new customers (my son is a perfect example…they have lost us and make never get us back down the road). They can make APIs available publicly and even do this with no warranty to protect themselves. It’s amazing that Tandem (and others like Insulet) don’t embrace these movements to help them level the playing field with Medtronics. It is this ultra conservative, closed-minded thinking which kills companies and leaves us with fewer and less innovative choices. Has anyone had this discussion with the Tandem CEO or his team? ......just had to get this off my chest!!!
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 22:09
..yep
but doesn't hurt for more and more people to keep reaching out to these companies to continue the conversation :)
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 22:10
@danamlewis Do they actually get what I am saying or respond with a plethora of excuses as to why not?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 22:11
::shrugs:: depends on when/where you talk to them, and how they're feeling about things. I think they "get it", but how they respond likely varies.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 22:13
they don't seem to think that exposing APIs for third party developers to use is viable for various FUD reasons (liability, regulatory, whatever).
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 22:15
:worried: I have had phone and email correspondence back and forth with Kim Blickenstaff and John Sheridan (CEO and COO) of Tandem in the past and will hit them again with this. So frustrating....
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Sep 05 2017 22:27
:+1:
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 22:34
maybe if they get up against the bankruptcy wall they'd consider it, though. much less to lose if your company is unlikely to succeed otherwise. the problem is getting them to admit they need to try something new before it's too late and the risk-averse bankruptcy lawyers take over.
it would be interesting to get an investor lined up to buy the next pump maker that goes bankrupt so they can turn around and open up the APIs and try to sell pumps for DIY looping
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 23:34
Yep, short-sighted thinking. They need to think like a startup.
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Sep 05 2017 23:35
the one startup that did buy a pump company out of bankruptcy isn't really acting like one like you'd hope..
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 23:36
Well, Bigfoot may also have some painful lessons.
Craig Brenner
@cbrenner
Sep 05 2017 23:46
On a different note....is there a way in NS to setup recurring future treatments as opposed to having to input every one. I want to setup "Eating soon" for my son during the school week for his breakfast and lunch (which will, for the most part, be the same time each day).
@cbrenner ^ most people wanting recurring are using that