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Jan 2018
Tim Street
@tim2000s
Jan 30 2018 06:23
@Bender1061 just be careful with Qi chargers in hard cases. When I trialled one a year or so back, I found that they got very hot and unless you had a well ventilated case, the temp got to Edison shutdown temperatures. Given most people use foil wrapped lipo batteries there is a risk there.
(For Edison)
Milos Kozak
@MilosKozak
Jan 30 2018 07:30
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what is the difference between AMA ad SMB. the same safety settings but SMB is keeping low temp after meals
jzycom123
@jzycom123
Jan 30 2018 08:09
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th122
@th122
Jan 30 2018 11:03
@MilosKozak I’m currently sifting through the gitter channels for little gems and tidbits for documentation and FAQ - may I include your snippets and explanation as examples for SMB in action? (On another question - should the FAQs be added to the respective projects (and duplicated where needed) or is there a better place? So far I’m sorting them by layer (data transport between devices, bolusing, handling of TBR, etc)
Milos Kozak
@MilosKozak
Jan 30 2018 12:33
Use it as you wish
peterlynton
@peterlynton
Jan 30 2018 12:55
Is there an easy way to add pancreabble to an existing install by adding a switch to oref0-runagain.sh? Documentation is not clear but it appears that pancreabble install is now part of the initial oref0 setup.
th122
@th122
Jan 30 2018 12:55
@MilosKozak thanks! I’ll upload a draft this weekend and reask the powers that be (that would include you :) the “where would it fit” part of the question.
Ebgineer
@Ebgineer
Jan 30 2018 14:21
@MilosKozak It looks like with minGuardBG=52 the controller is reducing the basal to avoid a potential low. There may be more info in pump-loop.log than you find in the OpenAPS pill.
Ebgineer
@Ebgineer
Jan 30 2018 14:28
Generally speaking SMB gives a bolus followed by a 0 temporary basal rate with duration long enough to ensure that BG will eventually get back in range even if something goofy happens with the carbs entered, like an incorrect carb estimate or unusual absorption rate.
Based on your NS snip I think there weren't any SMBs. I believe there were 2 regular boluses 2.0 and 0.6 units?
Milos Kozak
@MilosKozak
Jan 30 2018 14:32
This is without smb bolus. It’s after common bolus. And It’s androidaps I’m testing. When you switched to 0.6.0 was it necessary to change something In your settings!
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Ebgineer
@Ebgineer
Jan 30 2018 14:34
Ah, well I haven't used androidAPS. In my case I didn't need to change anything for 0.6.0, but it was not too long afterward that I started using SMB features, and several adjustments were needed.
jzycom123
@jzycom123
Jan 30 2018 15:41
Starting oref0-pump-loop at Tue Jan 30 23:36:31 HKT 2018 with 21 second wait_for_silence:
Waiting up to 4 minutes for new BG: glucose.json newer than pump_loop_completed
Radio ok. Listening: .No interfering pump comms detected from other rigs (this is a good thing!)
Preflight OK. Profile less than 60m old; Profile valid. RefreshValueError: need more than 0 values to unpack
Retrying invoke_pumphistory_etc
ValueError: need more than 0 values to unpack
Couldn't invoke_pumphistory_etc - continuing
Retrying monitor_pump
ValueError: need more than 0 values to unpack
Retrying invoke_pumphistory_etc
ValueError: need more than 0 values to unpack
Couldn't invoke_pumphistory_etc - continuing
Couldn't monitor_pump - continuing
Couldn't refresh_pumphistory_and_meal
oref0-pump-loop failed. Unsuccessful oref0-pump-loop at Tue Jan 30 23:37:49 HKT 2018
Where is the error?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jan 30 2018 16:05
@MilosKozak yes, many people upped their maxiob after 0.6.0 since bolus snooze is gone and maxiob now evaluates regular bolus and SMB
Milos Kozak
@MilosKozak
Jan 30 2018 16:05
ok. what is recommended value? max bolus?
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jan 30 2018 16:06
@peterlynton no, need to follow the docs - it's not as easy as adding to setup
@th122 what kinds of FAQs are you building? It would be great to add relevant info (if missing) to the pertinent sections of the docs where people are building those parts. The other obvious place is the troubleshooting pages - you'll see in the OpenAPS docs we have them broken down into rig-NS, pump-rig, etc.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jan 30 2018 16:11
@MilosKozak YDMV. We changed docs to say start with no more than 3x basal plus a typical meal bolus.
Milos Kozak
@MilosKozak
Jan 30 2018 16:12
thanks!
jzycom123
@jzycom123
Jan 30 2018 16:23
Very sad, no one is willing to help me
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jan 30 2018 16:25
@jzycom123 that error self-resolves with a good pump read (give it time)
jzycom123
@jzycom123
Jan 30 2018 16:27
@danamlewis OK! thank you!
th122
@th122
Jan 30 2018 16:35
@danamlewis I’ve started with a layer-model as abstraction for the different components, to be able to document things based on concepts and sort the different components (all those nifty hacks, ingeniuous pieces of hardware, glorious globs of software) by functionality. When I started mapping out all those components, I quickly found it overwhelming at the beginning (Can I eat a wixel, and how many carbs does it count for? >) . Right now it’s text and snippets of conversations sorted in calibre - I”ll have to ask permission of those involved before I can upload /these/ somewhere.
The OpenAPS troubleshooting section is great if someone’s following along to find a problem with his OpenAPS installation, but that’s already quite specific.
I’m looking for something to explain the concepts, and help sort all those programs by interoperability/exchangeability to solve the beginner questions like “Do I /need/ component x, what are the possible replacements, and what does it do anyway?”
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jan 30 2018 16:36
ok. I'll just continue to advocate for integrating with the existing docs, vs. a separate thing where some people go to, but not others, and it's not updateable (or open source) and so it gets stales. don't want all your hard work documenting stuff to go to waste!
but lots of ways to integrate/achieve those goals
peterlynton
@peterlynton
Jan 30 2018 16:37
@danamlewis thanks - openaps docs state 'Pancreabble instructions for OpenAPS need to be re-worked to reflect the oref0-setup script way of making it work' and further reading of openaps/oref0#570 suggests that it is / will be part of the openaps setup. I'm just not sure where to go from there.
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jan 30 2018 16:37
no one ever completed that work. so it's stuck with the current set of docs for the current way of setup, unfortunately
(which makes it hard, and why not many people are using it, and the few who have succeeded vanish into the sunset instead of updating the docs :( to help fix them)
th122
@th122
Jan 30 2018 16:39
@danamlewis I’m definitely for integrading into the existing docs, they’re fragmented enough as is!. My plan is to get a few sections drafted, and toss them to the powers who are familiar with both existing docs and the things described, and let them decide where they would want to use which part.
peterlynton
@peterlynton
Jan 30 2018 16:40
@danamlewis Ah ok. I'll keep at it till I work it out then :)
th122
@th122
Jan 30 2018 16:44
@danamlewis for an example on what I’m aiming for when I’m breaking things down into layers, this is the graphic I did to document another obfuscated software https://github.com/UB-Mannheim/ape/blob/master/docs/PrintingWithAPE.pdf (still need to PR the text docs there - after removing references to site-specific modifications from them)
jzycom123
@jzycom123
Jan 30 2018 16:47
Thank you for your hard work! Your approach has helped a lot of kids in need! thank you all! !
Dana Lewis
@danamlewis
Jan 30 2018 17:11
@peterlynton :+1: and if you find anything missing in the docs...please do PR :)
@th122 ahhh cool, visuals would be great
@jzycom123 :+1:
Thacher
@thacherT1D
Jan 30 2018 22:22
tried to runagain.... got this... before I wipe and reinstall, any ideas?
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Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jan 30 2018 22:27
just rm -rf ~/src/oref0 and re-clone it
cd ~/src/ && git clone https://github.com/openaps/oref0.git
Thacher
@thacherT1D
Jan 30 2018 22:31
thanks!
Could UAM without SMB be causing me to go low? I thought I had both turned off (because I use 0.4 - 0.5 U /hr) but then was having trouble with lows since starting a new rig which turns out had UAM set to 'true'
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jan 30 2018 22:39
it's nearly impossible to troubleshoot "I'm having lows" or similar without getting into specifics. we need to look at a particular low, and see what insulin was dosed when and why, to see why you went low
Thacher
@thacherT1D
Jan 30 2018 23:07

truth

I tried to hashtag that and it turned it into markdown
Scott Leibrand
@scottleibrand
Jan 30 2018 23:08
in this case that's perfect. :)
Thacher
@thacherT1D
Jan 30 2018 23:08

yes

okay, now I'm trying to go back in time on nightscout... somewhat less than ideal -- I've switched it off for now and confirmed off on both rigs that I use... TBD
thanks for the help :)