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Albert Engelbrecht
@droppedoncaprica
he seems like the most active out of anyone on the node project
Rod Vagg
@rvagg
advisory board is political level, I believe Fedor asked not to be involved
advisory board is not about getting stuff done
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
no comment
Rod Vagg
@rvagg
oh, you're itching to comment
I'm running on a few hours sleep so my tactfulness dial is pretty low atm
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
i was quoted in the press as saying "i can't talk about this yet"
Jeremiah Senkpiel
@Fishrock123
(generally) press = hyped up trash
Alejandro Oviedo
@a0viedo
Companies can only get on the board if they are both current top contributors I still can't figure it out how a company could be a top contributor
Albert Engelbrecht
@droppedoncaprica
@a0viedo I think the idea is the companies that have full time staff that are working on node core
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
I think Rockbot's tweet last night nailed it for me: https://twitter.com/rockbot/status/525342672601378816
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
that's a pretty amazing tweet
Albert Engelbrecht
@droppedoncaprica
^
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
i've actually spent a lot of time talking to companies that would have full time people on core if 1) it weren't owned by a company and/or 2) there were active contributors they could hire
some companies have people they would throw at it but can't justify it while it doesn't live at a neutral party
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
You can imagine the discussion we've had at Rackspace (I have 3 PSF board members on my team, also members of the openstack tech committee, etc)
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
but, even more companies simply don't know how to hire people who might be able to contribute to core someday, they need a list of contributors who are active that they can go after
Alejandro Oviedo
@a0viedo
and it's totally understandable
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
and one of the reasons we aren't growing new contributors is the ownership/dictatorship issues
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
I get consistently ask when is Joyent going to give Node to a foundation :)
(as if I have the magic answer since I'm in the node community)
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
it's somewhat telling that after small changes to the contribution policy and a week of being public the fork we had up added 2 contributors
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
For me it's always the risk factor; what if joyent has a course change?
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
at this point i've talked to people at damn near every software foundation
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
there's a very fine line between a BDFL and a MDFL
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
and one thing i've learned is that no company has ever has a successful project and put it in to a foundation when they have any other choice
and that goes all the way back to Mozilla
i don't think we need to look at "what ifs" anymore
what is currently happening is bad enough to do something
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
So unless Ive missed some revisionist history, that's what Rackspace did when it created the Openstack foundation and gave away the IP
In fact people were reacting by saying we were crazy
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
;) i've talked to people close to that, Rackspace wasn't given much of a choice :)
it was presented as "look at all this awesome shit we did with your tech, this is going in to a foundation, are you?"
i also get the impression that people felt OpenStack was somewhat innevitable
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
there was certainly a land grab for the the canonical open source cloud
and/or a horse race
+1 on the CoC thing btw
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
ya, and the market was distributed enough that nobody could take majority market share but amazon, so everyone who isn't amazon had a big incentive to get together
the CoC should have happened a long time ago, and it's embarrassing that it didn't.
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
yea, our biggest challenge is going to be the sales/marketing orgs who manage the big events
(in doing it across the company)
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
none of this is rocket science, most of the time these are like the bare minimum we should be doing, and the fact that they have been so hard to accomplish in the past is why I setup Node Forward
ya, we're in a good place at DigitalOcean, we no longer sponsor those conferences anyway :)
nobody could find a good reason to spend the kind of money we had spent on Disrupt and SXSW
Alejandro Oviedo
@a0viedo
and what did @tjfontaine said about that?
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
it's quite literally the cost of a dozen developer events
@a0viedo what did he say about what?
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
We still have massive enterprise lead-gen going on at those big events; It'll probably be easier to get those events to add a CoC than it will to get universal support at rackspace to not do events without one
(and then once all of our events do a CoC, it'll be easier to enforce the policy globally)