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Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
it's quite literally the cost of a dozen developer events
@a0viedo what did he say about what?
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
We still have massive enterprise lead-gen going on at those big events; It'll probably be easier to get those events to add a CoC than it will to get universal support at rackspace to not do events without one
(and then once all of our events do a CoC, it'll be easier to enforce the policy globally)
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
if you have lawyers they'll tell you that you can't have one
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
because it assumes liability I expect?
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
that's what lawyers do, they tell you to do the thing that has zero legal risk, which means always do nothing
Alejandro Oviedo
@a0viedo
what you said about the bare minimum being so hard to accomplish, I mean @tjfontaine had to realize all of this
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
Running joke when I was at MSFT, was that Legal never wanted us to ship a single product :)
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
but doing nothing is risky in other ways and it's your responsibility as a company to balance that risk
@a0viedo TJ hasn't said much of anything, he's been invited to all the Node Forward TC calls
but i don't think it's fair to expect him to
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
and correct me if I'm wrong, he hasn't declined, he's just not responded?
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
he likes Joyent, he has friends there, he doesn't have the kind of relationship with that company that the community has
@kenperkins correct
it isn't fair to put him in the middle of all of this
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
I don't see how Joyent thinks they have a choice tbh; if they don't cooperate a fork emerges, materially damaging the situation
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
the changes we want would have to be approved by the board of directors, so pointing at TJ is pretty unfair
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
He's in a tight spot
sorry lol
bbiab walking to coffee
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
cool
anyway, I'm not going to speculate about what Joyent will/won't do
that's not productive, and other people are working with them who are better at it
if tomorrow Joyent put everything in a Foundation, it doesn't fix all of our problems
Alejandro Oviedo
@a0viedo
I think it's much better to put all of that effort in node-forward
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
the community has been disaffected from engaging in a large portion of the problems we face
we need the community to take responsibility and get engaged again
without that momentum we can't get anything done, with or without a foundation
Kyle Mathews
@KyleAMathews
+100
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
How can I best get involved?
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
we're still in the early stages so the most important things are
1) identifying problems and creating experiments to solve them
2) promotion and awareness
3) everyday engagement
watch the help and discussions repo
we need to get some more momentum behind the help repo, and probably some better messaging
Albert Engelbrecht
@droppedoncaprica
Ahh, i didn't even know there was a help repo haha
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
although i saw that @othiym23 created a branch so he might be working on that
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
Help is an self-support?
err as in
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
the idea is that it can replace the mailing list and IRC someday
Issues have better moderations tools, and people put reputation in to GitHub so that helps as well
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
is the vision an app? or just content?
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
it's just "a place to get help"
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
awesome
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
similar to the mailing list but without crazy people being like FIBERS!
Alejandro Oviedo
@a0viedo
lol
Ken Perkins
@kenperkins
it's a bit tangential, but that issue saying "lets make node-forward not node (spidermonkey, non-async) reminded me of your blog post on promises, and fracturing the community