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Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
@bnoordhuis @indutny @piscisaureus @trevnorris TC Meeting :)
Sam Mikes
@smikes
Right, so this article by Lauren Orsini: http://www.donotlink.com/ch53
seems not to have been informed by joyent/nodejs-advisory-board#1
gramergrater
@gramergrater
nice article, a bit long though
i do wonder though, for how long can joyent remain solvent?
gramergrater
@gramergrater
this thing is rad: http://nodered.org/
but i don't understand why ppl keep perpetuating "the internet of things"
wasn't that coined by the CIA chief?
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
joyent/nodejs-advisory-board#11
if you want to contribute to making Node a contributor driven project please comment on that PR :)
gramergrater
@gramergrater
dammit gitter why don't issues appear in vimp
can't even right-click new tab
"open in github" goes to gitter
damn why aren't we using irc?
Mikeal Rogers
@mikeal
my "open in github" opens in github :)
gramergrater
@gramergrater
vimp or vimfx?
Forrest L Norvell
@othiym23
@mikeal comment left
Andreas Marschke
@andreas-marschke
huh. I think some of the features I was looking for regarding performance measuring and monitoring have been implemented already: http://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2014-09-17/node-flame-graphs-on-linux.html
Cristian Wilgenhoff
@cwilgenhoff
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Andreas Marschke
@andreas-marschke
So, am I getting this right: node-forward="Community effort to strengthen node and its ecosystem by providing a source for knowledge directly from the horses mouth" io.js="Community effort to bring node forward with help from node-forward" ?
Jeremiah Senkpiel
@Fishrock123
Node-forward = community efforts; io.js = node core (mostly code, roadmap also)
Jeremiah Senkpiel
@Fishrock123
(well, io core more specifically)
Talon
@talon
I like the way nodeschool.io is run with smaller communities coming together to mentor eachother and I wonder if that model can be applied to the node-forward mentoring program in some way.
Garth Kidd
@garthk
Anyone got a TL;DR of what happened with Node/io.js? Did the Joyent-driven governance smell too much like Dept. of Change Prevention to those invited?
Matt Hernandez
@fiveisprime
Isaac has a real nice writeup about it
Garth Kidd
@garthk
I hope @dshaw, @rvagg et al herd all concerned into a NodeUp episode ASAP.
Ta.
Gary Katsevman
@gkatsev
the changelog also wanted to get a podcast up
Garth Kidd
@garthk
Debian/Devuan, also? FFS. Two major deps with communities forking.
Oli Evans
@olizilla
"Freedom isn't free"
Team America - 2004
Martin Heidegger
@martinheidegger
I have some idea for node that might be interesting: How about a "auto-refresh" command-line option. if any of the loaded and/or required files changed then the process is automatically restarted.
Boopathi Rajaa
@boopathi
@martinheidegger I don’t think it should be handled at node level. May be the task runner that you use with your projects should be implementing this.
Matt Brennan
@quarterto
@martinheidegger I believe nodemon can do this.
Zlatko
@zladuric
Yeah @martinheidegger look up supervisor or nodemon. And while we're at it, also gulp or grunt.
Martin Heidegger
@martinheidegger
gulp and/or grunt are not the "automatic-good-to-teach" solutions i am looking for, they are hard to handle properly . I didn't know that nodemon was able to do that (last time i checked it didn't). pm2 seems to support it too (sweet). The argument in my head to support it on a platform level was that beginners struggle with the running of apps very often. "I changed the file, why does the server not update?" "Why do I have to restart now?", ... I recognised this topic when I talked with a Meteor developer. He simply assumed that live-reload is normal and every tool supports it. I found it very nice way to think.
Zlatko
@zladuric

That's actually a legacy from PHP, RoR and similar, I think - to expect stuff to reload automatically.

As for automatic-good-to-teach solutions, I prefer gulp over grunt as grunt is more configuration, gulp looks like regular node.js code.

So you might learn something using it.
But the thing is - you start learning good practices: like using a proper tooling for everything. When you work with, say, Java, and do a change, Eclipse will save the stuff for you, compile, hot-load the class or reload the app or something, so you deal with development, not with minifying assets or bootstraping stuff, you get a nice workflow that most Node.js developers will be able to understand and follow.
Anyway, I didn't see you ask for a 'good-to-teach' solution, you asked about restarting node.js and apps on the platform level. People (including me) suggested existing solutions like supervisor and nodemon and as you say, pm2. I think it's still a part of the platform as those are the typical tools you'd use anyway.
But since they do help you out some, I suggested that you also look into gulp or grunt.
So, maybe a misunderstanding on my side :smile:
Anyway, there you go.
Talon
@talon
Enter Yeomen.
Jason Rhodes
@jasonrhodes
+1 for nodemon
Talon
@talon
Does one of the node school.io core classes introduce nodemon?
Martin Heidegger
@martinheidegger
@zladuric I don't suggest that this --watch switch should be there by default but at least as option. There is a reason why it has been successful in PHP/RoR/...
Oli Evans
@olizilla
@LegitTalon there isn't a nodemon workshopper yet. Would you be interested in building one?
maybe a more general "node tools" workshopper