opendevshop/devshop

Open Source Cloud Hosting

Gus Austin

@gusaus

Looks like improvements on the Open Collective side are on the way https://github.com/opencollective/opencollective/issues/1434#issuecomment-484204621

Jon Pugh

@jonpugh

Oops, I meant she was having trouble installing devshop itself

Gus Austin

@gusaus

I'm still amazed I was able to install and migrate from Aegir/AWS without a hitch... well I did have a @caldenjacobs who helped quite a bit :smile:

Has anyone looked into making DevShop available on https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/?

Christian Alden Jacobs

@caldenjacobs

@gusaus glad I could help out a bit. I'm always interested in troubleshooting on a screenshare. I'm not a DevOps expert, and have had my share of troubleshooting opportunities with Aegir and Opendevshop, and want to share my experience if it can help anyone else 🙂. This is such a great platform. It has quirks because it's fresh, but it's such a great tool once it's up and running

And @jonpugh is amazing.

I deal with proprietary CMS systems on a daily basis, and consistently wish I could work with Drupal/Devshop instead

Jon Pugh

@jonpugh

Aw thanks christian

@gusaus it's a challenge just developing and releasing it as free software. No one really pays for it directly

So it's really hard to justify spending more free time to make it even easier for people to use our software... For free. 🤣🙃

Gus Austin

@gusaus

@jonpugh it's still difficult but there are more and more examples of OSS projects sustaining w/ the type of Open Collective / Patreon model you're trying out. Devshop providing an easy way to plug into paid support could also help sustain.

Chris McIntosh

@cmcintosh

is there a way to disable the "support devshop" block,

attempted to look up how to get a support license to just get the thing to go away but it errors out

Chris McIntosh

@cmcintosh

nevermind found it, devshop_support_network_client disabling removes nag screen

While I agree providing some sort of cloud-service would be a valid way to provide support (maybe the unlimited support for things under 2 hours like WP curve did a few years ago). I think having a block that states your site is unsupported is misleading. What is worse is attempting to get a license provides one with no information on benefits to getting the license other than getting rid of said block. In my case I couldnt even complete the process because the site didnt show any "plans" or options to complete the process

also im not sure how great an option it is to use something like OpenCollective to sustain yourself when they take 50% from the donations.

Maybe a business model similar to what Commerce did? where they built a brand around the functionality

Chris McIntosh

@cmcintosh

pantheon has certainly been successful as has Acquia's hosting efforts. I think putting together some marketing around what you provide over them (because when configured it works amazing with CI solutions) would be the way to build customers

Gus Austin

@gusaus

OpenCollective to sustain yourself when they take 50% from the donations.

Open Collective doesn't take 1/2 https://docs.opencollective.com/help/about/pricing

Gus Austin

@gusaus

I'm not sure any project can be sustained just on donations (regardless of the crowdfunding platform), but offering services as a perk (which Jon could do on the collective) might be a nice incentive.

Darrel O'Pry

@dopry

Tom Christie of Django Rest Framework has been doing a decent job of supporting his projects on his own. https://www.django-rest-framework.org/#funding

https://fund.django-rest-framework.org/topics/funding/

He continues coding and writes a monthly newsletter detailing progress and roadmap.

He does a lot of conferences and is very active pushing the async ball forward in the python community.

Jon Pugh

@jonpugh

Nice, I always enjoy seeing other's methods

good to see you in here @dopry !

Darrel O'Pry

@dopry

Tom isn't a smashing success in cash flow from a business perspective, but he's supporting his open source work.

Jon Pugh

@jonpugh

I think a hybrid approach is best, we do have a few paying customers now :D Crowdfunding is good for community building... opencollect might be a good way to allow "Community" licenses a.k.a. people that want to run their own server, but are willing to pay whatever they can afford

it was hard to justify offering free "community" licenses as part of the business plan, but as part of community outreach plan, it could be a good cross promotion for self-hosters

if they pay something through the collective, they would appear as backers in the open

Gus Austin

@gusaus

The cool thing about Open Collective is there are a good bit of projects trying out various models and if you consider Drupal and WordPress are beginning to incorporate, a lot of potential collaborations and customers. https://opencollective.com/opensource#team

Chris McIntosh

@cmcintosh

From the page you get when you got to create a Collective:
50% of the commission (so 5% out of the 10%) goes to finance this non profit and pay for legal and accounting and other expenses that can be mutualized for the benefit of the open source community at large.

maybe im missreading that line though.

Chris McIntosh

@cmcintosh

anyone know off hand if you can spin up a old D6 site with devshop (i know d6 is not supported). I am moving servers and need a site up for a couple of more weeks before switching to the new d8 version

was hoping i could do it through aegir/devshop but am doubting it

Jon Pugh

@jonpugh

@cmcintosh yes, aegir and devshop still hosts drupal 6

Gus Austin

@gusaus

@cmcintosh I think what they're summarizing at the top of the page is pretty clear "Setting up a Collective is free, but there are fees if you want to accept and pay out money, usually 5%-10%." https://docs.opencollective.com/help/about/pricing

The fees for OpenDevShop collective are pretty well described in this section https://docs.opencollective.com/help/about/pricing#how-are-open-collectives-fees-determined

All in all I think it's a pretty good OSS project and community for helping sustain projects like https://opencollective.com/devshop

Even tho some of the goals are obscured :smile:

nicxvan

@nicxvan_twitter

Hi, I'm trying to run the standalone docker container to do some testing

I just get the default apache splash page though when it's spun up

Oh I was just too impatient

Now I just need the default passwords

Christian Alden Jacobs

@caldenjacobs

@jonpugh get on the wait list! https://github.com/sponsors

Gus Austin

@gusaus

Also should fill out this https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeHkLnElxRN8Su3aZ2-XM1f4u4YpHMDIqkz7egIDbXDN6KMFg/viewform

Which is coming from this support group https://www.drupal.org/project/maintainers

Andy Laken

@laken

Anybody here? Quick n00b question

Gus Austin

@gusaus

What's up @laken :wave:

I think @caldenjacobs @jonpugh and some other experts are able to answer all types of questions.

Gus Austin

@gusaus

I am interested in this question as well. On the OpenCollective page there is a watermark for "Wordpress Support".

I just popped in to ask again if WordPress support was listed as a goal https://opencollective.com/devshop

Hopefully OC will soon launching their new profile pages which will resolve the bugs in their goal display https://github.com/opencollective/opencollective/issues/1434#issuecomment-483890448

Jon Pugh

@jonpugh

@nicxvan_twitter The defafult admin password is long secure and hidden.

Look for a drush uli link in the docker logs or run bash in the aegir container and use drush @hostmaster uli to get a new one time login link. Best practice to to not set a password for admin ever, but create a second admin user for login to the front-end

Gus Austin

@gusaus

Has anyone tried to spin this D8 distro up w/ Devshop? https://www.drupal.org/project/openy

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