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Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

but all that said, you need to understand (and this might be my fault in how things are named)

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

So you're going in the direction of using everything for the composer.

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

Pop is the application framework. Pop does have application modules that act as "mini applications" managed by the main application object.
Phire was written using Pop, but Phire's modules/plugins are not Pop modules, they are essentially plugins that are custom to the Phire eco-system and have to be installed via the Phire web UI (a la Wordpress)

that is what I'm leaning towards (doing everything with composer)

basically it's the debate of
A) Do you have a more developer-centric CMS that requires a dev to use the CLI and composer, etc?
or
B) Do you keep it more designer-friendly and have it all happen with the web UI via a custom module/plugin manager, etc?

personally I'm torn between the two options b/c I feel like either one could alienate the other audience, you know?

but seeing as I'd like to look into doing a more headless or decoupled CMS (with API support) I think option A might be better suited for that

(doing everything with composer, and also NPM/node as well)

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

I understand what you mean. The reality would like something not like WordPress, Joomla, Drupal etc. but something very much based on the use of CLI.

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

so that's your preference as well? something that uses composer/CLI?

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

However, keep in mind that based on composer, npm etc., elephants are created.

Nova is a cms based on npm and composer that makes use of the CLI and is 128MB because of the thousands of libraries that are installed.

The Phire V4 App (the one based on bootstrap) is 70MB

There is no risk of having too many addictions that are useless and of the applications that take up a lot of space.

In my opinion the way of a CMS oriented as Phire v2 is still the most viable and the one that could bring the greatest advantages.

Without excluding the use of CLI.

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

yea that's also been a goal of mine... I don't like apps that are unnecessarily bloated. I like skinny, streamlined and efficient.

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

Total agree

So (in my opinion) time and commitments allowing you could start with completing the cms v3 and then start correcting the modules that require it or writing more.

The alternative is to stop but it does not seem to be the case. Pop and Phire are two big pieces of code and I do not think it's worth stopping.

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

Yea "time and commitments allowing" heh

that's the real trick isn't it heh

(just patched the docs issue)

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

Warning I use a lot of the translator so some things are misguided so it seemed you do everything yourself.

No, there are me too and also for me it is worth the time permitting.

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

oh I understand... I'd love to have people help out... the reason I put Phire down for a bit was two reasons really... 1) After a few years of working on it, it didn't seem to get the traction I had hoped and 2) the new job I took on in 2016 required me to focus more on Pop and I didn't have the time (or need) to focus on Phire as much

and doing both Pop and Phire, I had always hoped to get other people involved using and contributing if others liked them

but that's been slow going as well...

but a few people pop in here and there to give a little bit of input, so that's nice

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

I discovered Phire and POP because I was looking for something that did not have dependencies and I immediately liked your work.

It happens that people appear who give a little input and offer to help you. The problem is that if they do not see results after a while they go away because one can study the libraries until they are memorized but nobody knows them as you have planned them and your contribution becomes fundamental if not fundamental.

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

Well I usually answer and response to people's input or issues as fast as I can. There's been some good contributions that have helped a bit

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

I hope I continue and I hope to give you good ones too

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

I appreciate that. I'm glad you like the work

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

While I'm talking about code work and I was seeing that in PhireCMS2 in src / Module.php on line 209 there is this loop (foreach ($ modules-> rows () like $ module) {) but the rows () method does not seem exist in version 4.3.0 of the database because I get a method error not found. I think we can replace it like this (foreach ($ modules as $ module)

What do you think about it?

Obviously I'm trying to port for version 3 to give you a hand.

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

yea there's prob going to be some backwards compatibility issues like that

the pop-db component has been updated significantly over the past year

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

No problem on this. The problems are solved.

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

so you are correct, ->rows() no longer exists b/c the object is a collection that is iterable itself

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

Will there be a src / Module.php file in the module structure in the future?

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

most likely yes... that still holds true... that's the Pop application module that gets registered with the main application object

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

Very right

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

However I saw that at the time the modules can not be loaded because the tar and zip libraries are missing. You removed them.

Satisfy my curiosity. Is there anything in the form class that generates html markup? I do not think I saw it but I would like to be sure.

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

yes the pop-archive repository was deprecated as unnecessary. Moving on from that, I just use the built-in Zip and Phar utilities now

well there's a whole pop-form repository that does the bulk of all the form work

renders HTML, validates fields, scrubs/filters data, etc etc

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

I got it

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

Good afternoon

Adriano Giovannini

@adrix71

Goo dafternoon

MOHD AFEEF

@afeef1915_twitter

im new in pops framwork can anyone give tutorial how to save data in mysql

i have understanding of symfony2,3 and laravel

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

You can check out the docs here: http://docs.popphp.org/

Nick Sagona

@nicksagona

more specifically here: http://docs.popphp.org/en/latest/user_guide/databases.html

iamszt

@iamszt

i want to acheive the following
i have a predefined pdf file i want to add watermark or page number to each page

DrewM

@AndrewM

Curious if this has been addressed - I haven't been able to find any documentation or comments about it. When I get a record and modify, then ->save() it doesn't seem to trigger the 'ON UPDATE CURRENT_TIMESTAMP' for the database column....

It works fine with a normal db->query() though.

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