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Feb 2018
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 07:39
So, my small experiment has shown us that you, guys, perceive positively only those things which you already saw somewhere or which remind you other logos, e.g. “R in center in square” or my last variant too. This very widespread phenomenon.
in that case, I insist that we should follow the community's opinion, instead of the opinion of the units
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 07:44
To be precise I appeal to @evs-chris @fskreuz first of all
kouts
@kouts
Feb 10 2018 08:26
I think the logo should be as minimalistic as it could be, "R" and "a" and "JS" and "Ractive" in the same space is just to much I think.
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 08:29
these things make it look like periodic table element
kouts
@kouts
Feb 10 2018 08:38
Periodic element idea is great
but we probably can remove the "JS" and "Ractive" and just leave the "Ra "
Is there not an element with the Ra like radium or something?
:smile:
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 09:03
Probably.. actually I’m still searching best design for that idea. You and anyone also can help me if you just googling periodic table picture you like.
And I’ll try to adapt it to logo
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 09:08
Yep, “Ra” is radium. We even an additional ideas regarding it, like blooming or something. That’s why I put “Ractive” word to the logo
To be obvious that it’s not radium
kouts
@kouts
Feb 10 2018 09:33
I'm searching for pics now, any other ideas that where popular?
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 09:42
One more reason to use “Ra” instead of just “R” because many people told that “Ractive” become “Reactive” or even “React” very often
kouts
@kouts
Feb 10 2018 09:43
happens to me all the time, I know...
have you thought a name change?
like just "Active" or something...
BTW it's hard to find a name that doesn't already exist in JS world :smile:
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 09:52
We already talk about this in the issue.
#3160
I believe that logo with “Ra” will little bit help with that problem
Joseph
@fskreuz
Feb 10 2018 12:54

That’s why I put “Ractive” word to the logo To be obvious that it’s not radium
One more reason to use “Ra” instead of just “R” because many people told that “Ractive” become “Reactive” or even “React” very often
these things make it look like periodic table element

This was what made it complicated. A logo is a symbol. It's meaning should be implied, not explained. You can't explain everything in a small image.

perceive positively only those things which you already saw somewhere or which remind you other logos

This only means that there is a trend that exists, everyone is aware about it, and we must go with the flow or be left out.

I force this question mostly because I need to create logo for Ractive RealWorld example app.

A logo won't change a demo's functionality, nor should an ongoing redesign block you from building a demo. Just use the old logo, there's nothing wrong with it.

The root of the problem is we don't have good PR, that's really it. "Ractive" isn't a complicated word, it's just a word you never see everyday. But if you can just get it out there so that the word appears more often, people will remember it. And most importantly, show them what it can do and how to do it, instead a promise a fancy new logo. Walk the walk, talk the talk.

Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 13:32
It can’t be complicated at least because everyone knows such symbols - periodic element. Also because the poll shows us it’s more popular than others.
It’s haven’t ideal design right now, but the idea is good
And most important unique
This only means that there is a trend that exists, everyone is aware about it, and we must go with the flow or be left out.
No it’s not
Logo and idea behind it should be unique as possible.
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 13:37
if this were not so, we would have thousands of companies with bitten fruit on logos
You talk a lot about the lack of PR, but at the same time block all initiatives related to this.
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 13:43
I would like to make a RealWorld demo part of a new round of Ractive’s PR and therefore it’s important to have a new logo and a tag line there.
Joseph
@fskreuz
Feb 10 2018 14:23
A logo has no bearings on what Ractive can and can't do. You can make demos regardless of the status of this proposal. Again, the old logo is still an option.
Also, Ractive has 5k stars on Github, 11k downloads in the last day on NPM, 300k hits a day on jsDelivr. I wouldn't call the 44 in that poll a "representative population", nor does the winning 16 make it "popular". I'd say run another poll, but this time, only taking the top 5 as options, have it run longer and require 300-600-ish people to vote.
kouts
@kouts
Feb 10 2018 14:26
Yes that's a good idea
Joseph
@fskreuz
Feb 10 2018 14:27

we would have thousands of companies with bitten fruit on logos

I bet you've not seen phone manufacturers in asia, nor heard of this news https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2017/12/28/16825336/apple-lawsuit-steve-jobs-trademark-logo-italian-brothers-barbato :joy:

Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 15:59
Do you really want to Ractive be like that copy-pasters?
A logo has no bearings on what Ractive can and can't do.
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 16:04
If I understand something in marketing and I do, believe me, it’s important to show Ractive in new look. Actually Ractive never had such complex public example before.
I'd say run another poll, but this time, only taking the top 5 as options, have it run longer and require 300-600-ish people to vote.
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 16:13
I also hoped for this and was surprised at such low count. Apparently not looking at your numbers, not so many people really are rooting for Ractive.
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 16:36
Very high probability that new poll never score 300-600 votes
Chris Reeves
@evs-chris
Feb 10 2018 16:54
Ractive has a small to moderate user base, but not a particularly active community. It looks like not many people feel the need to stop by because they don't usually have problems. Between that and leaving for more hyped frameworks, I don't think we'll get > 100 responses.
kouts
@kouts
Feb 10 2018 16:56
So maybe focus on other things and postpone this for a later time?
Chris Reeves
@evs-chris
Feb 10 2018 16:58
Like 0.10 with computation changes and template-based shuffles
no rush on a rebrand for my part
but it does need to happen
kouts
@kouts
Feb 10 2018 17:00
and maybe bump the version to 1.0 at some point?
some people seeing 0.x scares them off to use Ractive in production
I'm using it on production for 3 years now
(in a large scale project)
and with version > 0.9 things are pretty stable
for me 0.9.4 onwards could be 1.0 easily
Chris Reeves
@evs-chris
Feb 10 2018 17:19
Yep, we just wanted to stop briefly on 0.10 to make sure the bigger changes don't need to be broken again
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 17:20
I don't think we'll get > 100 responses.
Exactly
And I wanted to get rebranding of Ractive’s logo and tagline specially to the release of 1.0 version
To make some noise with new look and feel
But if we need to have 300+ votes to change a logo it’ll never happens
Juan C. Andreu
@andreujuanc
Feb 10 2018 19:05
I liked the folded one :)
Modern
Ractigami
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 20:39
yea, nice logo, but there's a little problem...
main-qimg-53c93d703f5e77b7f824e38d349dee5d.png
;)
Joseph
@fskreuz
Feb 10 2018 21:28
I don't see a problem. Ignoring the fact that you copied that logo and presenting it as if it was original work, it only proves that this simple logos work. This style is found across all of Google's products, they couldn't be wrong about it.
Microsoft started with MetroUI, followed by Google's Material Design. Apple? From skeumorphic (which was literally their kind of thing), they went flat on iOS. Now why is that? Tech giant, with the power and cult following, kneeling over to simple design over work that was unique to them? That's trend. Go with the flow, or fall off.
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 21:44
Ignoring the fact that you copied that logo and presenting it as if it was original work,
I never said that ;) it was an experiment
only proves that this simple logos work
So, my logo is also very simple
and can be simplified more
Joseph
@fskreuz
Feb 10 2018 21:49
...to a green box with "R" on the center. :joy:
Paul Maly
@PaulMaly_twitter
Feb 10 2018 21:50
But you forgot, that Google’s logos created by top-level logo designers, I guess. Maybe you can make a logo on the same level or pay for that? I’m not
Nope, not like that
Because, this is no different from simply stealing a Google Translate logo