@/all our first telecon will start in 2h 15min at 17:00UTC! https://www.w3.org/community/rdfjs/
oops! i used wrong link, agenda here: https://github.com/rdfjs/rdfjs.org/wiki/Meetings#october-2015
Hi all, just wanted to say how glad I am to see this coordination work taking place!
I just realized I cannot attend this telecon – I forgot it's still summer time in Sweden... ;)
I think the agenda looks great though, and hope to contribute next time!
(And, given time, to participate here and in the list more again.)
@niklasl thank you for dropping by and I believe we'll do another telecon in November! in between this channel, mailing list and github repos/wikis should also provide us with nice collaboration space
In case someone would like to test G+ with me https://hangouts.google.com/call/7u6w3j4mptkgxos5np3die3lyya
@elf-pavlik Great, I'll strive to attend that! (And add any pertinent information to the space in the meantime.)
looking forward to it! :dancers:
30 minutes....
FWIW, my last hack in rdfjs space is https://github.com/niklasl/ldtr It is sort of a "cheat", since it just transcribes TriG into JSON-LD. It might be interesting as a comparison to proper triple representations though (although it does hide the "true nature" of RDF).
(I'd though I just mention it here since I
'd planned to do so in the telecon.)
welcome @Acubed (Austin William Wright)
we chat about JSON Schema and http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Main_Page relate
@ericprud works on www.w3.org/Brief/NDY1
10 minutes
scribe syntax example
@Acubed: I can scribe, no problem
... at least for a whiile
Hi
Hey @l00mi
Do we have already the communication medium set-up?
jumping free topics to UI http://viejs.org/examples/todo/
we will scribe here
scribe: @Acubed
@elf-pavlik (To @Acubed) if you can try to capture what people are saying
chair: @elf-pavlik
we start in 30 sec
TOPIC: online group collaboration spaces (max 10 min)
@elf-pavlik: The first topic to go through... tools to use for online collaboration. Let's +1/-1 various tools. For chat... Gitter/IRC?
Gitter: +1
gitter: +1
Gitter:+1
IRC: +1
IRC: +1, +.5 for Gitter
Gitter+1
Github:+1
Github: +1
@elf-pavlik: And for wiki there's W3C and GitHub.
Github:+1
MediaWiki:+1
github: +1
Github: +1
github : +1
@elf-pavlik: Next point, Website. rdfjs.org. Reference the W3C community group from the website, use the website?
rdfjs.org: +1 You can probably use a CNAME to redirect to GitPages.
domain name +1, but website has to be managed by community, for instance GitPages
@RubenVerborgh: Domain name is fine, but
... website should be run by community
right now if not mistaken it is already pointing to github ip
-1 on task forces choosing
(should all use the same thing)
@elf-pavlik: Task forces can choose their own collaboration space?
@RubenVerborgh: We should avoid fragmentation and use the same thing
@elf-pavlik: Start a new repo?
@RubenVerborgh: Current group seems to be good
@RubenVerborgh: Current group seems to be good
+1 for hangout: everything is going well
Hangouts: +1
@elf-pavlik: To Teleconferences. Any objections to hangouts, or any alternatives?
hangouts: +1
hangouts: +1
hangouts: +1
hangouts:+1
hangouts: +1
No opinion
hangouts +1
@elf-pavlik: I have access to rdfjs on Twitter, if someone is interested in accessing the account I'm open to sharing credentials.
workstreams (actionable) (max 40min)
... Collaboration is very exciting. First item is representing triples
Proposal: Representation Task Force
please use q+ / q- for entering the queue
@RubenVerborgh: Thomas and I had a good chat yesterday... We propose a task force for discussing technical issues and low-level APIs
q+
q+ to ask if folks are leaning towards data or function access
ack @l00mi
@bergos: Discussions on how to bring together the various high-level APIs from a common low-level API/representation
ack @ericprud
@RubenVerborgh We're talking about an in-memory representation... there's several Turtle parsers, each of them outputs in different ways. What we're trying to achieve is a common data format for output
@gkellogg: explains how it works in ruby-rdf
@gkellogg: The way we do it in Ruby is we define an interface... it yields the triples or quads it generates.
@RubenVerborgh Promises seems to be the common interface being adopted
+q Parsing documents asynchronously/synchronously
I meant: the promises spec is a good example of how we can standardize an interface
@Acubed I will ack you next!
and scribe what you say
ack @Acubed
@Acubed: we have rdf-interaces and I know Turtle library which uses its output, it takes the whole document and calls callback with all the triples
q+ to clarify promises and why RDF interfaces is not sufficient
q+ to ask what use cases we know of
... asynchronious implementations send document all at one (scribe missed it)
@bergos do you ask where do we need promisses?
@Acubed what features do you see rdf-interfaces is missing?
@Acubed: We already have RDF Interfaces, which features is it missing?
@bergos quads, async parsers
Where is this matrix?
@ericprud still on the q?
+1 on what bergi is saying
@bergos: Let's continue to collect a list of use-cases
ack @ericprud
@ericprud Trying to understand the use-cases we have already... Is there anything else?
Clarification of earlier point: RDF Interfaces is not JavaScript-idiomatic; we want a JavaScript way to interact with triples and quads on a low level.
Being JavaScript-idiomatic includes support for asynchronicity.
Being JavaScript-idiomatic includes support for asynchronicity.
ah
ack @RubenVerborgh
it seems to me there might be value in mapping rdf:type info into Javascript classes - e.g. using Shapes
Next steps, and how people can engage
@elf-pavlik What's the next step here?
@RubenVerborgh Figuring out how to represent triples
@RubenVerborgh Figuring out how to represent triples
Task: bergi & Ruben send out mail to recrute for Representation Task Force
Next topic (very quick) Use cases (see Task Force)
(room is full I cant' join)
=> that's a problem for using Hangouts!
D:
oh shit! sorry @nicola
(I have been following here anyway)
next time we need to do it on air!
(I was going to help facilitating but you are doing super well)
@elf-pavlik If someone is interested in listing use-cases step up
in the meantime, I created a Tasks page: https://github.com/rdfjs/rdfjs.org/wiki/Tasks
@Acubed: I can help
(is someone scribing?)
(me, badly)
@elf-pavlik Who's using user interface libraries with RDF?
@Aklakan ... making SPARQL queries, converting to JSON
RDF Shapes work provides basis for building UI forms etc
Is antoniogarrote here?
And actually also
- http://fragments.dbpedia.org/2015/en (server-side JS)
Yea, in RDF shapes, I see big potential in generating UIs
Also, there's the Hydra console: http://www.markus-lanthaler.com/hydra/console/
This include shacl
Next TOPIC: Mapping Projects (dependencies, maintainers/contributors, specs, features) :smile:
Hydra, in general, has lots of UI potential (similar to SHACL)
q+ to blather about validation
@l00mi: Using RDF Shapes to generate user interfaces/forms, experiences on mobile
... having a common representation in memory would be helpful for performance
ack @ericprud
@ericprud: I've done some user-interface stuff meant for RDF developers. It detects mistakes. And I have a different set of requirements.
(if there is multiple people in the same office with two connection, maybe they could drop, so I can join)
One more use case from me
q+ another use case finally would be to update a graph in the client which then gets persisted on server
kind of syncinc
@nicola I don't think so :worried: sorry for that next time we'll fix it
A JSON-LD parser would probably have a hard time tagging a line number with a triple/quad, but could do something like a json-path. RDFa can also associate a XPath IIRC
@RubenVerborgh Compiling a list of how people use RDF libraries on a high level
@Acubed: little project I did a few ago, rendered template with RDFa instructions and filling in variables based on sub graph matching from database
... once you generate this document in will contain the same tripples
... facebook react seams to do something similar
ty
@l00mi: This is something I'm interested in... And the fact the information is reactive is beneficial
@Aklakan: I'm working on annotating the reverse, annotating the HTML to persist to the server
(understanding this correctly?)
ack @vanthome (i believe)
@vanthome: Generating a UI automatically... Using a JSON-LD based API, JSON Schema, and a DSL.
... Completely automatically generating UIs
... we've built an implementation based on JSON Schema
... And building a database representation
@Acubed: Its annotating the HTML forms with RDF specific markup (e.g. rex-subject, rex-predicate, ...) such that the form can be both pre-filled out from existing data in a sparql endpoint as well as persist any changes back to it
ty
TOPIC: Mapping Projects (dependencies, maintainers/contributors, specs, features)
@elf-pavlik: Last topic, mapping projects
q+
ack @l00mi
... It was a project not originally using RDF
... I propose a workflow based on that
@l00mi: Why do we want this low-level API to interact?
... I propose a workflow based on that
@l00mi: Why do we want this low-level API to interact?
TOPIC: group charter (max 5min)
@elf-pavlik: I think we can close this, it's exciting we have many different cases
... more boring is taking on a charter
... more boring is taking on a charter
@ericprud: I can help
@elf-pavlik: For now we can just keep adding to the wiki
@elf-pavlik: For now we can just keep adding to the wiki
TOPIC: misc (max 5min)
@elf-pavlik: Next meetings
q+ Who is at ISWC next week?
monthly +1
monthly +1
going to ISWC: +1
ack @l00mi
monthly +1
ISWC IRL meetup anyone ?
@l00mi: Is anyone going to ISWC, interested in meeting up?
monthly +1
monthly +1
@elf-pavlik: A face-to-face is good
@RubenVerborgh: Last ISWC had 70 people... but this time we had to cancel for insufficient interest
... not the best feeling to be suddenly ignored, we need to figure out how attract interest
TOPIC: group chairs
I'd volunteer as a chair
Task associated?
@elf-pavlik: Last topic, group chair. Groups don't have to have chairs, but it's useful.
+1 @RubenVerborgh
(if needed)
animating group :smile:
+1 @RubenVerborgh
(and co-chairs are welcome :wink:)
@elf-pavlik is doing a great job.
i can co-chairs
co-chair @elf-pavlik
Having two chairs is always a good idea
@RubenVerborgh what we want to ask the whole group?
@RubenVerborgh I think it's a good idea to have chairs regardless of who they are... let's compose a mail to everybody
@elf-pavlik: I can take the minutes and post to the wiki
@RubenVerborgh: I'm busy at ISWC, but I can help
@bergos what do we do about limit of he hanout?
WebEx then?
@bergos: We have a 10-person limit which we reached... what other possibilities do we have?
+1 for WebEx instead (always had good audio quality there)
@ericprud: I can setup a WebEx with 10 seconds of warning
+1 @bergos chair
... Some police of abuse might be necessary
@bergos: I've had problems with things on Linux, will WebEx work?
ive not got webex working on linux yet, but I sometimes dial in thru skype
one can use G+ Hangout to call +1
@ericprud: It works on my platform... And you can dial into it
would be nice to build our own webRTC solution :)
@melvincarvalho++
The only call-in number supported by the MIT/WebEx instance is the one with the +1 country code: +1.617.324.0000.
+1 for WebEx
+1for WebEx
@elf-pavlik: So do we all agree next time using WebEx?
webex: +1
+1 WebEx
@ericprud: Someone just has to remind me
+1 let's test and see. If new problems occur we can try talky.io
+1 agree w/ @vanthome
@elf-pavlik We'll be in touch by mail for the summary e-mail
@elf-pavlik: Ruben will send out the summary on Sunday... thanks everyone
Most impressed by the time-boxing! Thanks @elf-pavlik
Great call, Thanks everyone :dancers:
@RubenVerborgh tomorrow I also may travel but will check email in the evening no matter what!
Thanks you all for organizing this
I am happy to have somehow triggered to do this faster with the provocative simplerdf
(if that helped in any way!)
@nicola yeah! it really gave nice impulse :sparkles:
Will fix formatting later or anyone please feel invited to replace with nicer version. @melvincarvalho ? :wink:
just make it txt
thanks @nicola :smile:
;)
simpletxt