I don't think you understand what I said
I don't think you understand what you are saying either. Comparing programming language with hobbyst's media apps, and asking to throw community of knowledge and practice that surrounds it into hipster (or otaku?) moshpit. That's sound more like bad PR manager's prank.
Stack sounds interesting... Yea, there are some crazy papers/lectures written on DC that convince one that it is a truly powerful way to program. I meant to say earlier, that the reason I mentioned them is because Skookum basically built a language that focuses on using them.
I like how you mentioned that one must know blub in order to make a fair comparison with blah, in my view, two languages that focus on meta-programming cannot be compared since they can be bent into any language. Thus, as you demonstrated, the only way to really compare them is by their implementation, the underlying technology that empowers them to complete various tasks. Red should be quite compelling in the future as it fulfills its many promises to be a great language implementation.