It never really interested me much
Sorry, I am not a very good source for information on hosted languages. I just know that lisp was more niche before Rich Hickey decided to make a hosted dialect.
That is true, in the end, who knows why a language becomes popular...
Or meet business needs.
@rebolek sorry, was busy with school.
Idea: Red having a good milestone with Anaconda's packaged functions?
https://docs.anaconda.com/anaconda/packages/py3.6_win-64/
https://docs.anaconda.com/anaconda/packages/py3.6_linux-64/
https://docs.anaconda.com/anaconda/packages/py3.6_osx-64/
(was expecting that Red can get off the ground earlier....)
Idea: Red having a good milestone with Anaconda's packaged functions?
https://docs.anaconda.com/anaconda/packages/py3.6_win-64/
https://docs.anaconda.com/anaconda/packages/py3.6_linux-64/
https://docs.anaconda.com/anaconda/packages/py3.6_osx-64/
(was expecting that Red can get off the ground earlier....)
Also Discord and Matrix/Riot is getting more popular than Gitter, so it would be great if Red can engage with the youth of our time there.
Discord is a proprietary freeware... - OK, I don't have to read anything else about it
At least Matrix is open, but its API description has 170kB. Crazy.
At least Matrix is open, but its API description has 170kB. Crazy.
Anyway, doing Matrix client in Red is possible. Maybe someone can try it.
@rebolek I don't think you understand what I said. It is the best way of engaging with the youth of today. Examples
Hydrus - discord.gg/vy8CUB4 https://github.com/hydrusnetwork/hydrus/releases
ShokoAnime - discord.gg/vpeHDsg https://github.com/ShokoAnime
WhatAnime - discord.gg/K9jn6Kj https://github.com/soruly/whatanime.ga
Nori - discord.gg/3DTNcHu https://github.com/tjg1/nori/releases
Hydrus - discord.gg/vy8CUB4 https://github.com/hydrusnetwork/hydrus/releases
ShokoAnime - discord.gg/vpeHDsg https://github.com/ShokoAnime
WhatAnime - discord.gg/K9jn6Kj https://github.com/soruly/whatanime.ga
Nori - discord.gg/3DTNcHu https://github.com/tjg1/nori/releases
@9214 I think it is a generations thing
I don't think you understand what I said
I don't think you understand what you are saying either. Comparing programming language with hobbyst's media apps, and asking to throw community of knowledge and practice that surrounds it into hipster (or otaku?) moshpit. That's sound more like bad PR manager's prank.
Take this for example https://discord.me/page/coding https://discord.me/page/geekhub https://discord.me/page/coding-core
(the community of programmers or would-be programmers are huge)
(the community of programmers or would-be programmers are huge)
Spreading community across multiple communication channels won't solve any of our problems. They require constant monitoring, moderation, promotion and presence of community leaders - all the things that core team cannot afford time and resources for, as there are more important things to do.
It is one things to get things done, and other to attract people to the software. Some questions to think about: How is Go (2009), Rust (2010), Nim (2008), (all three are Java/C-level), Scala (2004), Elixir (2011) (both functional) more popular than Red (in terms of Github stars or RedMonk metrics) http://sogrady-media.redmonk.com/sogrady/files/2018/08/lang.rank_.618-1.png
Derailing discussion into language flamewar (or pushing subjective comparison metrics of completely different projects, two which are courtesy of Google and Mozilla) doesn't give you any credit, I believe you know that. Red is not a software, it's a toolchain for software creation. And it needs to be fully functional to attract people who will use it en masse.
Are there any Racketeers here who would like to chime in in this subbredit? @JacobGood1 ?
"Contrast Red with Racket?"
"Contrast Red with Racket?"
I really need to do some red programming again. I have been busy in a Smalltalk derivative, SkookumScript, doing game development. At this point, I am convinced that delimited continuations (fancy talk for coroutines), are the ultimate imperative abstraction, like monads are for functional languages.
By the way, there is an interesting implementation of common lisp called clasp, where the goal is seamless interoperability with c++. Here is a recent talk on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbdXeRBbgDM
Something like parse would be relatively easy (in the right context) to create with DC.
@JacobGood1 I get that continuation represent "the rest of computation", and can follow code written in CP, but not sure what you mean by direct continuation. In fact, continuation is just a function that accepts the computed result, with a caveat that it doesn't leave an activation frame on evaluation stack - Scheme people, who are fond of continuations, don't mention that, because they the take tail-call optimization for granted :wink: CPS itself is just a restricted and quirky version of lambda calculus. There's also this book from Appel, which is a bit over my head. Anyway, off-topic.
OK. At some point there was a discussion about continuations in Rebol mailing list, and why they were removed in Rebol2. You still can write in CPS though, except that stack grows and it can get tricky without lexical scope (or
closure!).
I think this topic will get more interesting after introduction of
https://github.com/red/red/issues/3552#issuecomment-447326519
stack native.https://github.com/red/red/issues/3552#issuecomment-447326519
Stack sounds interesting... Yea, there are some crazy papers/lectures written on DC that convince one that it is a truly powerful way to program. I meant to say earlier, that the reason I mentioned them is because Skookum basically built a language that focuses on using them.
I like how you mentioned that one must know blub in order to make a fair comparison with blah, in my view, two languages that focus on meta-programming cannot be compared since they can be bent into any language. Thus, as you demonstrated, the only way to really compare them is by their implementation, the underlying technology that empowers them to complete various tasks. Red should be quite compelling in the future as it fulfills its many promises to be a great language implementation.