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Boleslav Březovský
@rebolek
that's pretty bold plan :)
BeardPower
@BeardPower
It will be a new "Amiga" but with state of the art hardware.
@rebolek It is but can be done. I'm looking forward to get a custom made Mill CPU.
With hardware support for Red specific needs.
Boleslav Březovský
@rebolek
I knew where this was going ;-D
BeardPower
@BeardPower
Hehe.
hiiamboris
@hiiamboris
:D :D
BeardPower
@BeardPower
Maybe the Parallela guy can chime in and design some graphic accelerator.
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
RISC-V is the new mantra .... well, except the revolution did not happen, yet ....
But I remember, in the past, talking to Doc, his original plan - start the project, involve Carl, buy RT, resurrect Amiga, or something like that :-)
BeardPower
@BeardPower
Forget RISC-V. It still has the same issue with Meltdown etc. is nothing else but a new iteration of the same old ideas. Mill is a new architecture without any of those issues. It is designed for Micro- and exoKernels.

RISC-V is the new mantra .... well, except the revolution did not happen, yet ....

Hehe.

Yes, that was a similar idea.
If we can get a package out, that runs Red on dedicated new hardware architecture, that would be huge.
Imagine booting directly into a Red IDE within 3 seconds.
Like on the C64.
BeardPower
@BeardPower
That's the idea behind it. I talked to the Xomb developers some time ago and they were interested in the idea. They used D for their Kernel but it was a bad idea, so they would not use it again.
The Red/ Kernel is currently able to boot and shows some info on the memory and CPU features. I needed to strip the red-runtime from Red/System and as the Red compiler cannot output object files, I have to do some linker-magic myself. Fixing code entry points and the like.
Later on, there will be a Red runtime for Red/OS so you would be able to compile Red and Red/System code for Red/OS.
BeardPower
@BeardPower
But it's a lot of work, not so much of rocket-science but tedious work.
I can post some little video of the Kernel booting with Qemu once I fixed some other stuff. I'm using Haiku for the linking magic which works out very nicely.
It may use Blend2D for it's rendering backend.
Pierre
@pierrechtux
@BeardPower H O L Y C O W ! !
That seems like a very ambitious project! Excellent!
Respectech
@Respectech
I'd like to see that.
Boleslav Březovský
@rebolek
We all want to.
viayuve
@viayuve
@BeardPower where did you ordered custom mill cpu?
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr

@BeardPower "Forget RISC-V. It still has the same issue with Meltdown etc. is nothing else but a new iteration of the same old ideas. Mill is a new architecture without any of those issues. It is designed for Micro- and exoKernels." .... I have just looked into Mill, and it has almost zero traction. Wikipedia article is from 2014, webpage last news something around 2017.

In comparison, have read just about our local Czech (Brno) company called Codasip. RISC-V seems to be a multi-billion business and there is strong willingness to create a competition to ARM, to avoid Huawei like cases. We are talking open hardware here (that's why I like Beagle Bone boards).

The consortium seems to have cca 420 companies and there is expected business of cca 60 billions of cpu/cores till the 2025. Does not sound like "forget RISC-V" at all ....

BeardPower
@BeardPower
There is already some beef inside the RISC-V foundation etc.
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
We will see ... we should base our decision about realistic expectations, though :-)
BeardPower
@BeardPower
I haven't seen anything from RISC-V yet, that can blow current Intel and AMD CPUs out of the water. RISC-V is not the only open hardware. There is OpenPower, MIPS, SPARC etc.
Boleslav Březovský
@rebolek
When I was still at CZ.NIC, Codasip was in a room next to ours.
BeardPower
@BeardPower
Yes. Mill is currently silent because they are in a funding round for their FPGA. If you can get them 10 million USD they would be able to release it soon.
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
Interesting discussion here - some Mill person in there - https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/ao2d30/mill_cpu_vs_itanium/
BeardPower
@BeardPower
Mill is Itanium done right. If Intel would have spent a little more time and money on it and the inventor hadn't passed off, Itanium would be just the Mill.
Current CPUs are waisting a lot of Cycles on branch predition and stuff.
That hardware is also expensive, has design flaws and security issues.
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214
@BeardPower how many non-believers have you converted so far?
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
@9214 Do you already belong into the camp of converted? :-)
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
For me, the problem with some "ideal" CPU is, if it really does not deliver. Do you guys remember Transmeta? Even Linus Torwalds joined them IIRC. And the Mill is in "development" for something like 16 years ... whatever the guys are doing. I wish every project well, but I feel almost like being an IT veteran being cured by multiple potential resurrections of an Amiga, so I will calmly wait for the real life results :-)
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
Please move CPU talk to chit-chat.
BeardPower
@BeardPower

@BeardPower how many non-believers have you converted so far?

Not as many as I hoped for but working on it.

Please move CPU talk to chit-chat.

Sure.

yc
@cloutiy
I believe. Amen.
Senenmut
@Senenmut
its not Amen. its Amun-Ra.
yc
@cloutiy
@Senenmut :)
fedorovsergey1981
@fedorovsergey1981
Good day.Please tell me how can convert your token on ddex?Thanks
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214
@fedorovsergey1981 please ask all token-related questions in a dedicated Telegram channel.
fedorovsergey1981
@fedorovsergey1981
ok.thanks
sq16
@sq16
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Semseddin Moldibi
@endo64