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lan Nomar
@khwerz
find does for example
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214
Stub actions (rename) and unimplemented refinements (find/any) are not the same.
lan Nomar
@khwerz
Look, I'm just starting out with red/rebol, and as a rookie, it seems incredibly dishonest to pretend to have something when you don't, you wouldn't get away with that on other mainstream languages (well... maybe)
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214

Being alpha software (with missing key parts and rough edges that require polishing) isn't "incredibly dishonest", nor is it pretentious to introduce iterative changes in the nightly build (which is the main point of the said build, FYI).

I'm sorry that you have hard time with Red, but you should understand that it, as of now, it is itself a TBD, and that doesn't guarantee pleasant 1.0-like user experience. Consider to skim thru our starters' guides and ask questions here as you go - that's the best way to have fun and enjoy your stay with Redbol :wink:

lan Nomar
@khwerz
alright, I am staying though :) hopefully I won't ask too many annoying questions
lucindamichele
@lucindamichele
This is the place to ask questions! :)
lucindamichele
@lucindamichele
So we have some interesting progress reports to share, and we could use your feedback--and I'd like to direct people to discuss it on https://gitter.im/red/red, because that's where I'd most like to collect feedback--about our snazzy CSV codec (Red can be used to build a data matrix in a lot of ways, so you can help us choose formats). We've also got an intriguing AI suggestion for Red that would allow hi-fi tinkering for more precise pattern recognition: https://www.red-lang.org/2019/09/the-latest-red-could-help-ai-be-more.html
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin

@khwerz +1 to what @9214 said, to which I can add some commentary.

Since you're new, you don't know how things work, the project or the community. So take it slow, and be as nice to us as you want us to be to you. We're happy to help and answer questions, and before long you'll find your way around. You may see that some things are undocumented, to avoid wasted effort, and sometimes because things just fall through cracks. As @9214 said, our goal is not to doc all limitations in detail, because things can change fast, and then you have to remember to go back and update all those temporary notes.

In this case, an implementation note may help. When you use help in the console, you see that rename is an action. Actions are common functions which all datatypes share, but are not equally supported for all types. e.g. find only works on series values. What this means is that we knew rename was going to be an action, and therefore has a slot allocated for it. We also knew we wanted it to be R2 compatible, supporting files and urls when the time came. So it's a placeholder for now.

This is likely not the only TBD feature you'll hit, and don't be afraid to call out when you hit them. Even better, if you're willing, add a "TBD Notes" wiki page and put things there when they come up. Those are easy to edit OOB, can't affect code when you do, don't need PR management, etc. Low effort, and then we have a list to remind us about gaps that need filling. And your help will be greatly appreciated.

Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
I am trying out Red Wallet v.0.4 on macOS and dies on start. Attempting to launch it from command line give the following error:
> open RED\ Wallet.app/ LSOpenURLsWithRole() failed with error -10810 for the file /Users/apopov/Proj/Red/RED Wallet.app.
The validates using online binary validator... Any ideas?
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
I'm not on MacOS, but the "role" part makes me think it has limited permissions on your system.
Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
hmm... not sure what it means. I tried running it with 'sudo' as well—same result.
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
What version of MacOS are you on?
Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
running wallet directly suggests that there's missing dependency: > RED\ Wallet.app/Contents/MacOS/wallet 02:07:27 dyld: Library not loaded: @loader_path/libc.dylib Referenced from: /Users/apopov/Proj/Red/RED Wallet.app/Contents/MacOS/wallet Reason: image not found fish: 'RED\ Wallet.app/Contents/MacOS/…' terminated by signal SIGABRT (Abort)
Mojave v.10.14.6
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
Thanks. Let's see what @bitbegin and @qtxie say.
Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
Thanks!
unrelated: I am on red v.0.6.4 and trying to run CSV-codec following https://github.com/red/red/wiki/CSV-codec but I getting load-csv has no value... It's also not listed in what. What am I doing wrong?
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214
@aseidlitz you should use latest build rather than stable one.
Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
Thanks, I’ll try.
Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
@9214 that was it—thanks for the tip!
rebred
@rebred
will there be ever a list of red's developers/companies available for hire ?
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
Yes.
rebred
@rebred
@greggirwin when ?
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin

That's a much more specific question. :^)

Fullstack (Redlake in the U.S.) is the commercial arm of the Red Language project. It will offer products and services, as well as consulting. Red needs to mature to the point that we feel it's production ready for others before offering consulting services.

Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
I installed red-auto extention in Visual Studio Code. But when I try to run a script I see extention trying to launch the shell several times and then it dies with the following message: "The Red Language Server server crashed 5 times in the last 3 minutes. The server will not be restarted." Does red.redPath config variable supposed to point at red executable or to a directory where red.r, libRedRT and other components are located?
What is Red Language Server?
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214

@aseidlitz

Does red.redPath config variable supposed to point at red executable

Yes, full path to toolchain binary.

What is Red Language Server?

LSP implementation.

Rudolf Meijer
@meijeru
@greggirwin "Fullstack (Redlake in the U.S.) is the commercial arm of the Red Language project" I cannot find this Redlake on Google -- instead I find many others of that name which have nothing to do with Fullstack and/or Red. It seems very difficult nowadays to find a unique name for oneself...
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
Redlake sounds too cool, so it is a high possibility that someone already has used that name :-)
Alex Popov
@aseidlitz

@9214

Yes, full path to toolchain binary.
Sorry, could you clarify what toolchain means in this context. Is it the red binary?

Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
@aseidlitz, yes, like so:
"red.redPath": "C:\\dev\\red\\build\\bin\\red.exe"
Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
:+1:
That’s what I have but Red Language Server is still failing to start. I see that that problem happens before and there are Github issues open for it.
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
Let's see if @bitbegin or @qtxie have a suggestion.
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214
@aseidlitz in the meantime you can list your OS and VSCode with Red versions here, to help us identify the problem.
Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
@9214 macOS 10.14.6
red 0.6.4 (build Sep 16)
VSCode 1.38.1
red-auto 0.3.5
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214
@aseidlitz thanks!
Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
Just built red-auto extention from the latest source and it works. It's the one that is available through marketplace which is having problems...
bitbegin
@bitbegin
you can clean ~/.red folder, then run ./red
Alex Popov
@aseidlitz
Now I am getting Launching server using command /Users/apopov/.red failed.
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214
@khwerz nice, thanks. FYI, you can find all functions with TBD refinements by typing ? "TBD" in the console.
lan Nomar
@khwerz
Ok, I'll keep adding more
how do you use redirections in red? (Just tried a red-latest --cli tbd.red | awk '{print $1 "\t" $2}' ) and it failed
oh that's interesting, red only works on bash/sh
lan Nomar
@khwerz
it outputs:
Script Error: Invalid compressed data - problem: -3 Near: script: decapsulate
if none? script
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214

oh that's interesting, red only works on bash/sh

Yes, that's an underlying Rebol SDK issue, which is mentioned in readme file (and it also lists relevant tickets that contain various workarounds).

0x11
@codenoid
cool