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Boleslav Březovský
@rebolek
It should be, right. But it wasn't.
It' more that 13x RAM than my ZX Spectrum had.
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
Yeah, but QEMM solved that. Do you remember having to distinguish between high memory and extended memory? Ah, the good old days.
The first computer my Dad got He paid a lot for an extra 8K of RAM. He could see the future.

Most forthcoming software will necessarily have to be written in high-level language, making it independent of the actual processor used. The reason is due to increasing software costs and the desire to implement more complex programs. No one will be able to afford to develop important new applications in machine language, especially since it will be unnecessary. Because of the increased capabilities of future-generation microprocessors, coding efficiency won't really matter. Stretch it to the limit and you'll see what I mean - perhaps by the year 1999 all the software ever written will run in less than a minute.

:^)

Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
Remind me never to predict or write about what the future holds.
Boleslav Březovský
@rebolek

Do you remember having to distinguish between high memory and extended memory?

I do remember laughing at that as I had Amiga at that time.

dsunanda
@dsunanda
Some of us are old enough to remember mainframes going through almost exactly the same evolution as we went from 24-bit to 31-bit (not a typo - 31 not 32) and then 64-bit addressing. Plus the short-term expedient of 2-gig swappable "address spaces" (similar to the 286's expanded memory).
How we laughed when we saw Intel making the same mistakes :)
addos
@addos
is there a way to have --no-view compile a red binary that depends on no gnome libraries?
Speed
@XANOZOID
I think when this comes out of beta, Red could 100% benefit from this (specifically "Discussions"): https://github.blog/2020-05-06-new-from-satellite-2020-github-codespaces-github-discussions-securing-code-in-private-repositories-and-more/#discussions
A project I follow seems to already have access to it: https://github.com/Kode/Kha/discussions
Maciej Łoziński
@loziniak
Seems like part of Microsoft's Embrace, Extend and Extinguish strategy :-/
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
We'll have to see how things really work. We've talked about similar things, on a small project and team scale. Given that chat is a huge space, it's a smart move for them.
Speed
@XANOZOID
Whether or not Microsoft has that sort of reputation, I've been wanting this sort of integration for a long long time . . . I'm just finally happy to see more integrations into the project space instead of it spread out everywhere. If anything I'm hoping more GIT hosts start thinking about user experience innovations like this
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin

It absolutely makes sense to integrate things, but this is also a step, not an end game. Step back and look at projects from a lifecycle vantage point, high up, and code is still only one piece. It's probably considered a human rights violation to expose non-devs to git in any way. :^) Manual threading is also crude, but better than nothing to be sure.

Key, for me, is the data (which includes the people involved). If you have that, you can view things and present it in different ways. Picture a project as a tree. You see the end result from the outside, but if you look at slices of the tree you can see how it got there. Years of vigorous growth and drought, where branches broke off. Now look at the forest, where the whole ecosystem comes into play, and timelapse that. What could we learn, and how can we use that information to plan for a better future?

Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
And if we think that an organic analogy isn't appropriate, consider that we humans still call the shots, and how trends and "new ideas" are simply mutations that either benefit their hosts and spread, or don't. But mutations, like bacteria, don't see the big picture. What becomes "popular" is not the same as "optimal" and you can't know what's best long term, just as with local hill climbing.
veleth
@q60
Hi. I have some issues with using input function. All works perfectly unless i compile my code and then launch executable. It yields *** Script Error: input has no value and i've no idea how to solve it. linux x86_64, latest red-06 and red-04nov20-277584b4c - both do not allow me to use input in compiled code...
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Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214
@llathasa-veleth please follow this instructions.
veleth
@q60
so i need to clone the repository, then do this? can't i do this with only input.red?
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214
@llathasa-veleth no, I'm afraid you cannot. It's a temporary workaround until a proper I/O is implemented.
veleth
@q60
ok, thanks for help
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
I can see various activities in IO area, by bitbegin and qtxie.There even seems tobe a https client server exmple.Just womder what is an overall state of IO? Still a lomg way to go? Or its core mostly done and for something like 0.7 it is mostly about adding various protocol support?
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
The foundation is largely complete, but needs some high level design to be finalized.
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
Thanks Gregg. Looking at examples it seems like functionality is similar to R3 TCP handling ...
Boleslav Březovský
@rebolek
@pekr you're not wrong, it's very similar to R3, although bit simpler I would say. HTTP server works almost fine (there are still some SSL related problems) so if anyone wants to experiment with it, it's a great opportunity.
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
I am a bit confused though. Saw @bitbegin doing some fixes / extensions in his branch, related to SSL, certificates, etc., but now @qtxie continues with his branch, but I am not sure I see the merges. So which one should I start with? :-)
Boleslav Březovský
@rebolek
I believe @qtxie 's branch has everything.
Using that branch I was able to get A- score for a webserver on SSLlabs test, so certificate support is top notch :-)
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
Just curious, look at the commits in terms of the bitbegin's one 🙂
Boleslav Březovský
@rebolek
Well, let's hope they would show up and tell us what's the difference :)
Qingtian
@qtxie
@pekr bitbegin's branch is a feature branch, it will be merged once it's ready.
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
OK, thanks ....
dillonKneeland
@dillonKneeland
Hey everyone, anybody use the vscode red extension?
hiiamboris
@hiiamboris
@bitbegin ^
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
@dillonKneeland VSCode broke the old version, and now it needs to be synced with fast lexer. @bitbegin or @qtxie can probably tell us its status. Reporting issues you see always helps though.
Dave Andersen
@dander
@dillonKneeland @greggirwin It has been working again for a while for me with recent Red builds.
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
Excellent! Thanks @dander.
Petr Krenzelok
@pekr
It seems that Redbin was merged to Master? What an extensive work! Thanks to @9214 or whoever participated on that :-)
Semseddin Moldibi
@endo64
Huge work, congratulations!
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
@9214 has been leading the charge on that, yes. :+1: to him. We still need someone to add validation checks in the decoder, and his time is limited right now. If someone is interested, he and Nenad can say exactly what's needed and offer guidance.
Dave Andersen
@dander
I wonder if it would be useful to build a test case generation system for this. If we could generate valid Red data using something like the input generator of DiaGrammar. Then test to see if it can be round-tripped to redbin and back. Inputs which break can be converted to unit tests.
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
I like that idea. Long ago I wrote permutation related generators, so it can be much more automated than using DiaGrammar (but I like that idea as well).
Dave Andersen
@dander
Sure, I just meant it seems like DiaGrammar already has that tech, or using it as inspiration
Gregg Irwin
@greggirwin
Yes, and we should definitely drink our own wine.
Vladimir Vasilyev
@9214
@dander Redbin tests already do that.
Oldes Huhuman
@Oldes
@9214 what is missing in Redbin so far? I tried self referencing object as my first test, which was handled correctly, but system object encoding (as my second test) throws an error.
hm.. it will be routine which is not handled.
also.. have you been doing some performance tests on huge data? I wonder how efficient it is in comparison with classic load.