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Edward de Jong

@CodingFiend_twitter

Intel has lost the entire Apple account, which was probably at least 5% of Intel's total business. So it's a big loss. They have been idling for years they didn't have any serious competition. Intel still has the best Quantum Physicists on the planet, and they are only one invention away from blowing away the world again. We are in the plateau region of the development curve, where almost nothing changes. If you put more than 10 cores in a chip you don't get much useful work out of it, so we are flattening out everywhere in the computer biz.

pixel40

@pixel40

@GiuseppeChillemi Brings back memories. I had an Amiga with a 68060 accelerator, running Jim Drews Mac emulator. I used it in PrePress, and the Mac Emulator literally produced work 3 x faster than the fastest Mac you could buy at the time.

GiuseppeChillemi

@GiuseppeChillemi

We are in the plateau region of the development curve, where almost nothing changes. If you put more than 10 cores in a chip you don't get much useful work out of it, so we are flattening out everywhere in the computer biz.

We have still a large margin of improvement in software. Algorithms are tuned for single processor tasks. Once they will move to multi-core operations we will see again a lot of improvements.

GiuseppeChillemi

@GiuseppeChillemi

It is strange for europeans see the dollar symbol after euro currency, is there any way to change it?

>> as-money 'eur 22
== EUR$22.00

Gregg Irwin

@greggirwin

$ is the standard Red denotation. To use something else, form it and replace, or wait for format. The latter doesn't have a locale design yet.

Rudolf Meijer

@meijeru

The Unicode universal currency sign is U+00A4. Unfortunately that is outside the ASCII range... I try to put it here: ¤ Does everyone see it?

Boleslav Březovský

@rebolek

I do, Unicode shouldn’t be a problem today.

What’s problematic OTOH is locating such sign on most keyboards. With $ it’s much easier.

Petr Krenzelok

@pekr

How do I type it easily on a keyboard?

Boleslav Březovský

@rebolek

Exactly.

Gregg Irwin

@greggirwin

¤ was part of money's design discussion, and I have it in my format exploration. In addition to the typing issue, it's universal but also universally unknown. :^\ One thought I had in format was that $ could be literal for that symbol, but ¤ could be replaced based on a locale setting.

Wezl

@wezl:privacytools.io

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While it may be of no importance, on Code Golf Stack Exchange, Red is the Language of the Month, which means more people will try to learn it and use it in the contest of code golf (where it does quite well, other than requiring a Red[] header :)

hiiamboris

@hiiamboris

Great!

Once we finish HOFs there'll be no competition ;)

Gregg Irwin

@greggirwin

Thanks for letting us know @wezl:privacytools.io !

Let people know they can come here for tips and tricks.

For the compass problem, others just use a literal, so Red could do that too, avoiding prin.

Raimon Grau

@kidd

hi, just wanted to ping you that ripgrep now recognizes red files: BurntSushi/ripgrep@53c4855

Gregg Irwin

@greggirwin

:+1:

Gregg Irwin

@greggirwin

Thanks for providing binaries.

./ripgrep>rg -tred /user:
unrecognized file type: red

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Edward de Jong

@CodingFiend_twitter

@pekr to get the Euro symbol, on the mac you type Option + Shift + 2, and on windows Alt and type 0128 The universal currency symbol was a really dumb idea, as it is nobody's currency, so basically a wasted unicode glyph that only confuses people. The committee running the Unicode consortium are dumb as doorposts; constantly making it more and more complex, and now busy turning it into a completely unsystematic clip art database that is only accessed by number, which is a misguided thing to do.

hiiamboris

@hiiamboris

on windows Alt and type 0128

Two issues: smaller keyboards don't have numpad, and you have to memorize the code which is a waste of brain cells. That's why I also asked Gregg not to use this symbol in format.
Oh and 3rd issue: I've experienced that in this load of crap which is W10 Alt+numpad entering didn't work in a whole range of revisions.

Galen Ivanov

@GalenIvanov

@wezl:privacytools.io Thank you for posting here! (I had forgotten)

Rondon

@djrondon

do you have a fix to run Red on Big Sur ?

Gregg Irwin

@greggirwin

You'll need to run Red in a container or VM @djrondon.

Rudolf Meijer

@meijeru

Concerning Red publicity as language of the month in Stack Exchange: is the following statement given there actually correct?

Red doesn't have reserved words, instead blocks (arrays / lists of arbitrary values) are used as arguments to functions. *

hiiamboris

@hiiamboris

Looks like a few topics mixed in one sentence. A typo?

Galen Ivanov

@GalenIvanov

@meijeru @hiiamboris It's probably my fault. @wezl:privacytools.io created the nomination, then I added more text to it. This sentence clearly doesn't make much sense. I suggest the following edit:

Red doesn't have reserved words, even conditionals and looping constructs are functions that use blocks (arrays / lists of arbitrary values) for their bodies.

hiiamboris

@hiiamboris

Well, these functions are natives written in Red/System code. You wouldn't go far without them. Though: you can rename them, and build your own loops on top of that.

If it's the "reserved words" you want to put accent onto, how about:

Red doesn't have reserved words. Even conditionals and looping constructs are ("native" function) values provided by runtime, which can be assigned any names.

Galen Ivanov

@GalenIvanov

@hiiamboris Thank you! I don't remember what I meant, but it was probably that Red's syntax is uniform and conditionals/looping are achieved with function calls and don't need reserved words and special syntax.
I can edit the page in SE if there are no other suggestions.

Gregg Irwin

@greggirwin

Make the change @GalenIvanov. :+1:

Galen Ivanov

@GalenIvanov

Done

Raghu Ranganathan

@razetime

hi there galen ivanov

and @wezl:privacytools.io

Galen Ivanov

@GalenIvanov

@razetime Hi! Nice to meet you here!

@cloutiy

Hello, ive been away for some time...does red have the necessary pieces to use as a web server yet, or still in progress? Thx

GiuseppeChillemi

@GiuseppeChillemi

We are near, I suppose we will see something before the end of the year.

@cloutiy

Ok thx👍

GiuseppeChillemi

@GiuseppeChillemi

Is it normal Automated build are stopped at 26th of May?

ne1uno

@ne1uno

download page, Direct links to latest builds, windows zip says not here

GiuseppeChillemi

@GiuseppeChillemi

Confirmed

ne1uno

@ne1uno

maybe fail test on mac build prevents update?

Boleslav Březovský

@rebolek

@cloutiy this web runs on Red webserver https://rblk.eu/

GiuseppeChillemi

@GiuseppeChillemi

@rebolek 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Petr Krenzelok

@pekr

@rebolek I expect your web server uses an IO branch?

Boleslav Březovský

@rebolek

@pekr yes

RaycatWhoDat

@RayMPerry

Something I've always wondered about this language: Has someone used it in each domain highlighted in this graphic? https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xhOP35Dm99w/UuXFKgY2dlI/AAAAAAAAAGA/YQu98_pPDjw/s1600/reichart-abstraction-diagram.png

Is the split in the line mean to represent Red/System?

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