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    tomarnoldess
    @tomarnoldess
    What is the scope of the Education and Outreach Working Group?
    Wojciech Potrzebowski
    @wpotrzebowski
    Thanks for starting this discussion @tomarnoldess . For SAS courses, job, software, etc announcements I found sa_scat mailing list https://www.iucr.org/__data/iucr/lists/sa_scat/ particularly useful resource . I am not familiar with anything similar for reflectometry but I am relatively new to the field. If this is the case, I think it would be useful to initiate something like this.
    Andrew McCluskey
    @arm61
    One of the “tasks” that was captured in the minutes of the meeting that was thought to be in the remit of the Education and Outreach working group was "Collection and documentation of existing software “
    I also think that there is some scope within the group to develop educational material for the webpages (for example Tom we could turn your Bath lectures into somthing available online) to help new users to better understand the technique
    jfkcooper
    @jfkcooper
    I know that many users often ask the same questions, and I'm not always prepared, meaning more work than it should be to answer them. Maybe if we have a user FAQ page which we could point people to (sending users to our page will also improve knowledge of the organisation too). I could start with the questions:
    "Do you have a few general papers you could point me to as an introduction to NR" (also the same question but for PNR, or air/solid samples versus solid/liquid)
    "What fitting software should I use" (this will maybe best as some list similar to Adrian's quite comprehensive webpage list?)
    Andrew McCluskey
    @arm61
    I think the idea of a FAQ pages is great! I have added a page to the website (https://github.com/reflectivity/reflectivity.github.io/blob/master/faqs.md) where we can start to populate these
    It is not currently linked anywhere until we start to populate it
    adrianrennie
    @adrianrennie
    My view is that education and outreach covers the broadest range of levels from people with a casual interest to experts seeking specific technical information. The challenge is to categorise the material so that people find what they want.
    Some rather technical information, primarily about neutron reflection, is available at: http://reflectometry.net and this provides links to quite a few other resources.
    adrianrennie
    @adrianrennie
    @wpotrzebowski There is a SAS portal with links to quite a lot of material http://smallangle.org and it has been recognised that some work is needed to make this more attractive and useful. It does give an example of the breadth of material that is needed by a community (the most accessed pages are those with links to software).
    jfkcooper
    @jfkcooper
    I think that possibly, the PhD level / inexperienced users might be the lower hanging fruit, as a more experienced user would probably know some other experienced users/IS's to turn to to ask questions. I know that for me, being able to point someone at a page which has lots of answers would save alot of time.
    jfkcooper
    @jfkcooper
    I will try to start writing a few questions down in the newly created FAQ's (thanks Andrew). Obviously anything we "publish" on the site should be double checked before we push it
    Andrew McCluskey
    @arm61
    Happy to double check and write some of my own that I come up with!
    tomarnoldess
    @tomarnoldess
    @arm61 I agree that the principle of having educational material and software documentation "in one place" is a good one. I think we do need to be a bit careful that we don't reinvent the wheel so we maybe shouldn't yet start writing a lot of new content. I think some FAQ's are fine but the bigger question is should we try to consolidate these pages (reflectometry.net and reflectometry.org and any others) and if so how?
    tomarnoldess
    @tomarnoldess
    As for lectures, mine are not very complete and quite derivative of other better stuff already online - I think the first task might be to do a full survey of content that is already published and freely available online. We can then decide how best to link to those or what to replicate or add.
    tomarnoldess
    @tomarnoldess
    Another thing we could include is links to training courses. These are usually more general than just reflectometry, but if there is anything being run that is relevant we could advertise it along with the big ones like Hercules & the Oxford school.
    tomarnoldess
    @tomarnoldess
    I think we should explicitly rule out a bibliography of reflectometry publications since i don't know how you define that and make it maintainable. But we probably can include techincal papers on software and instrumentation?
    tomarnoldess
    @tomarnoldess
    Summary of actions from discussion:
    • Collection of documentation –need to create a list of existing documentation for software and theory papers – starting from reflctometry.net
    • Create a resource for learning about reflectometry – video lectures etc?
    • Create FAQs and answers
    • Organize meeting
    I would add to this that we should try to come up with a logo
    To do this I am suggesting the following: We create a front-page website: Ideally reflectometry.org or .net or both will point to this… I have checked and the domain www.orso.org does not currently exist so we could create this to start with?
    We reserve Github for detailed software, data format standards etc
    Based on the discussion here’s what I think should be included on the website:
    • Explanation of what ORSO is,
    • Definitions of what our standards & recommendations are,
    • News on meetings etc.,
    • Collate existing reference material,
    • Links to software and tutorials on use,
    • Wiki & FAQs
    Andrew McCluskey
    @arm61
    Apparently someone else owns orso.org https://www.hover.com/domains/results?utf8=✓&q=orso.org
    (also the idea of ORSO.org is a bit painful, organisation.org 😬)
    Sorry didn’t think it had sent
    tomarnoldess
    @tomarnoldess
    Fiar enough... Brian says Paul is happy to transfer reflectometry.org so we could just use that. How do we pay for it and where would we run the server?
    Andrew McCluskey
    @arm61
    For the running the server, that isn’t necessary. If we have the credentials from the domain provider then it can be run from github for free (essentially the reflectivity.github.io page would show up)
    jfkcooper
    @jfkcooper
    I actually quite like orso.org :)
    Brian Benjamin Maranville
    @bmaranville
    @arm61 @tomarnoldess I spoke to Paul Butler, and he verified that they're working on a solution for shared ownership of domains between facilities and organizations, and he invited us to use their solution once it is finished (his best guess was less than 6 months to completion). He wanted me not to divulge the details of the plan, since it's not done yet.
    Until then he suggested doing what they're (and we're) currently doing, but he called it "bootstrapping"
    @tomarnoldess we can point reflectometry.org at the reflectivity.github.io if you want. Using the github backend helps solve some of the ownership issues, doesn't it? (Or it puts them in a different class of "ownership issues")
    Andrew McCluskey
    @arm61
    @tomarnoldess is there any scope for SXNS16 paying for the domain (Tim Snow just suggested using some of the Pansoc money might be able to go that way...)?
    tomarnoldess
    @tomarnoldess
    As yet there is no panosc money, but we could probably pay for it from the sxns budget for this year... but that's not a long term solution. i guess when we know what Paul's solution is we can revisit.
    Andrew McCluskey
    @arm61
    Hey all, was trying to work on a logo for ORSO. I have made a repo to keep ideas for the logo (if anyone else fancies making one) and eventually all of the logo assets. All comments/design suggestion on mine are welcome. https://github.com/reflectivity/logo/tree/master/arm
    Brian Benjamin Maranville
    @bmaranville
    The reflectometry.org domain has been redirected to reflectivity.github.io
    Artur Glavic
    @aglavic
    Hi @/all ,
    to make the vote more interesting I created two alternative concepts for the logo. One has a detailed color and simple BW variant to use for different applications and one is a clean concept based on input from a designer I know. Both are uploaded to the repository:
    https://github.com/reflectivity/logo/tree/master/aglavic
    tomarnoldess
    @tomarnoldess
    Great thanks Artur, they look good and exactly the sort of thing to make the vote meaningful. I'll put my teddy bear there too