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Jeff Escalante
@jescalan
and companies that make big apps, right now, produce most popular web tooling
i have done a few talks about tooling that is not intended for big apps, and nobody has connected with them at all
it seems like most developers that are highly involved in the industry/community are working on large web apps
Jonathan Neal
@jonathantneal
What you’re saying makes sense to me. Yet, a lot of the time these big tools aren’t nearly as complicated to describe as their implementation is.
Jeff Escalante
@jescalan
i mean i think that gatsby is a perfect manifestation of this
its a tool intended for building small static sites, blogs, marketing sites, the kind of thing that would typically be run with html
but it uses the 'hot technology' for building large web apps - react, graphql, etc
Jonathan Neal
@jonathantneal
In a world with HTML Modules, even modules that can be included without client side JS, these tools can be much simpler. Then we can solve even cooler problems.
In less words; what is complicated now doesn’t need to be.
Jeff Escalante
@jescalan
i guess i just have doubts about whether the appetite is there
like, no browser vendor has interest in implementing css nesting spec, if im not mistaken
Jonathan Neal
@jonathantneal
Yea ... because we circle the wagons around big languages for very legitimate reasons; sharing knowledge on a few things helps us build more things.
And then once the shared knowledge fossilizes, the web app becomes restricted by the limitations we discover in fully exploring it.
Thus a new framework is born.
And the circle of life continues.
Jeff Escalante
@jescalan
i guess what bothers me is that all of the knowledge is centered around engineering for web apps
yet most of the internet is not a web app
and when we encounter non web app projects, we tend to just take tools for making web apps and throw them at it
this tendency makes me wonder how much traction a proposal like this, which doesn't really have a ton of use for building web apps, but would be useful for other types of sites, would get
Jonathan Neal
@jonathantneal

we tend to just take tools for making web apps and throw them at it

Yes. And that is hard.

What would you call the part of the web that is not web apps?
Jeff Escalante
@jescalan
unless they are trying to use it as a polymer-like type of import thing, as a part of a system for building web apps
i usually split into 2 categories
Jeff Escalante
@jescalan
content sites (blog, news, etc), and marketing sites (information)
Jeff Escalante
@jescalan
i kind of have the feeling, looking through this, that they just want to use this instead of imports for polymer
since imports didn't pick up any steam
Jonathan Neal
@jonathantneal
Imports are dead. Polymer is dropping them, AFAIK.
Jeff Escalante
@jescalan
ah that confirms it then
a lot of web standards stuff is driven by polymer
however, polymer is 💩
unfortunately
yeah, all the people in this thread are polymer people
or skatejs
both of which are web component frameworks that are not really ready for prime time
this response says a lot too
buckle2000
@buckle2000
The "try it yourself" section is broken on this page
It is identified as XSS attack and blocked by my browser plugin
It is not an iframe
in fact, the entire html page is injected to my page
Well you can just write a runkit notebook and publish it
zwerdlds
@zwerdlds
Hey does anyone know if Reshape supports nested layouts? I have a repeating section which has a lot of boilerplate and i want to use it inside a child page. Something like:
<extends src='layout.html'>
<block name='content'>
<section class="work-experience-area">
<h2 class='label'>Work Experience</h2>
<extends src='_resume_incumbency.html'>
<block name='title-area-content'>Software Developer IV</block>
</extends>
</section>
</block>
</extends>
Thank you!
Jeff Escalante
@jescalan
a lot of people have reported issues with nesting layouts
i haven't yet run into a situation where i used them, on anything
and i make a lot of pretty complex sites
typically using includes or components is a better solution
zwerdlds
@zwerdlds
Thanks, Jeff. From what I've seen, includes can't contain blocks for variable content, I tried looking but I can't find a good starting point for the example I gave. Do you have a good article to start with?