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Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Yeah I had to take a few runs at it before it stuck.
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
I just landed a date with a girl who writes C# at her job
It's going to be incredibly hard to me to not go on an autistic rant about the wonders of FP
I usually make a better fifth-impression than first-impression lol
Otto Chrons
@ochrons
:kissing_cat:
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
Yeah she has a cat so maybe that's the best way to steer the conversation to what a contrafunctor really is
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Hey C# has LINQ.
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
yeah, true
Otto Chrons
@ochrons
F# as middleground? :)
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
now I know what the hascalator crowd feel and why they can't seem to shut up...
wow gitter ate my message
I read functional programming in C#
wait there it came
what the fuck
Otto Chrons
@ochrons
gitter is eventually consistent
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
anyways, I did indeed write FP in C# (same concept as red book) and it made me want to scream into the void
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
it's eventually quiescent, i think that's the most we can say
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
I was stuck writing C# for a server, and I gotta say, OOP design is really hard to get right
Safe to say I never got it right
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Yeah it's very hard.
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
I tried to write it in a sort of hybrid style
ended up with a platypus
but a platypus not fit for life
Josh
@joshlemer
y'all ever heard of the whole square vs rectangle OOP problem
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
In some way or another I'm sure
I want to try smalltalk
it's basically the "true communism" of OOP according to the fans
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Did you see deech's Lambda World talk? It's really good.
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
the one place it worked out
Is it recent? what is it about?
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=baxtyeFVn3w
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
oh, pretty topical
have you ever written smalltalk?
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
No.
The talk is about the tooling gap, which is vast.
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
Oh wait I've actually seen this video
yeah it's very interesting
tooling is so important
Ichoran
@Ichoran
I don't think OOP is hard to get right if you only use it for the problems that are shaped like OOP.
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
true
Ichoran
@Ichoran
I guess it doesn't help that OOP's sweet spot is really small compared to what it was billed as (solution to everything)
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Agree, as long as we can disagree about how big the spot it.
Ichoran
@Ichoran
I suspect you think that the spot is the empty set, or perhaps the definition of OOP data structures. ("OOP data structures are a great way to model OOP data structures!")
Peter Aaser
@PeterAaser
I think we can all agree on disagreeing
Ichoran
@Ichoran
Anyway, I find OOP great for trees of ever-increasing but not-substantially-changing functionality, and/or elaboration of a basic operation with specialization on different types of data.
I find it lousy for plugging in new functionality, not earlier conceived, to relevant parts of an existing design.
Rewiring an entire inter-method dependency graph in a subclass is entirely possible, and terrifying. I can't even get that right the first time I write it, much less when maintaining it.
Marcin Sokrates
@marcinsokrates_twitter
I can't get over how akka-http is so extensible... they had to write a whole separate event loop for unix sockets to support them
Josh
@joshlemer
I find it confusing when doing things like, subclass calls super.foo() which calls this.bar() which is itself overridden in the subclass, that gets confusing
Ichoran
@Ichoran
Yeah, but that's how it's supposed to work. As long as you don't rewire your dependency graph, it's cool.