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  • Aug 11 2021 20:51
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Hindia M. Mohammed
@Hindia
thanks Matthias! and no, it says couldnt find request
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
same here, but I' m sure we as well can post the join link (jitsi or whatever) here in the chat and it' s still 3 weeks away from now, so I think everything well so far.........
Jeff Zucker
@jeff-zucker
Hi @ewingson and @Hindia !
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
/all I feel like I have found my place. I' d like to prepare best for the meeting and have created a brainstorming https://hackmd.io/COy5_r-CSPGy_rocwMW5sQ how do we coordinate ? thoughts ?
circlebuilder
@circlebuilder:matrix.org
[m]
Hi there, @aschrijver from the forum chiming in :)
Via Matrix, btw..
Jeff Zucker
@jeff-zucker
Welcome @circlebuilder:matrix.org ! You may want to take a look at our charter. @ewingson the charter answers many of the questions you asked in your hackmd.
circlebuilder
@circlebuilder:matrix.org
[m]

Thank you @jeff-zucker 🙏 I hope to spend some time with DEIT, but in all my community work Solid is still a side-quest tbh. That's why in the poll I voted the first option.

I applaud the diversity initiative. I would like to mention - a discussion we had before - that imho inclusion starts with an easy way to glean insight into what's happening in the Solid ecosystem / community. The complex board structure and different chat channels are making that hard. Chat is good for, well.. chatting, but not to get informed about history. A broad range of Github repo's with markdowns, wiki's and issues is also unwieldy. The forum imho is ideal for async communication, long-running discussion and as an archive.

But the forum is underused, mostly used by some dedicated community members, and the occasional Inrupt employee dumping a link.

I'd like to propose breathing new life in the discussion on what would be a good community organization. As I see a possible structure (and how newcomers discover Solid):

project website --> community forum --> drilldown to subgroups + their chat channels

Note that this is from community perspective, not necessarily from the core team's perspective, though it would be beneficial to community engagement if they too interacted more on the forum.

Jeff Zucker
@jeff-zucker
I've created solid/deit#8 as an overview of methods of participation (please edit/add). For each method, we'll need to brainstorm how to increase inclusivity.
circlebuilder
@circlebuilder:matrix.org
[m]
Something that can be added: Build bridges to other communities. This applies both on the technical as well as the non-technical side.
In addition to "inclusive and diverse" there's also "open and accessible". Being OSS is not enough. The OSS ecosystem is massively exploited. I recommend reading: https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2021/the-oss-bubble-and-the-blogging-bubble/
circlebuilder
@circlebuilder:matrix.org
[m]
There's a lot of drive on the commercial side of the equation. This is not bad in itself. People need to earn their money. But the open community side of Solid is still very under-developed. Here's where people who can't afford Western-priced services should still be able to have full access.
PS. The article author can be reached on the fediverse, where he is discussing the article: https://toot.cafe/@baldur/106240003409804140
(PS2. There's something strange with the Gitter2Matrix bridge, as on mobile my previous msg has a strange serif font setting)
Jeff Zucker
@jeff-zucker
@circlebuilder:matrix.org - good point - I had "collaborate with related groups" under tech, but it goes under non-tech too, so I added it there ... others have mentioned problems with matrix
Reading that article now, very interesting
circlebuilder
@circlebuilder:matrix.org
[m]
Yes, it has a lot of things to consider. A lot of this was already widely known, but here a sorta new take is provided on it and also highlighting the urgency to bring change to the landscape.
circlebuilder
@circlebuilder:matrix.org
[m]
Gave some feedback to solid/deit#6
Jeff Zucker
@jeff-zucker
Great stuff!
Marrelle Bailey (She/Her)
@MarrelleBailey
Hi everyone!! It's super exciting to see the engagement!! And I am super excited to meet you all during our first meeting! :D
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
Hi everyone !! I only wish I could have helped.....
@MarrelleBailey I' ll be there..... can I help prepare content, presentation, maybe ask good philosophical questions. see ya !
Hindia M. Mohammed
@Hindia
June 8th is the first meeting? the calendar link still doesnt work for me 🤔
Kyra Assaad
@KyraAssaad
I saw this page on DEI for a company called Tia. Even though it’s healthcare specific, I like how they lay out their charter under four pillars. https://asktia.com/join/DEI-Tia
Vincent
@Vinnl_gitlab
Would anyone care to educate me? I don't understand how they can be "inclusive of women of all ... gender identities"?
circlebuilder
@circlebuilder:matrix.org
[m]

Your refer to:

inclusive of women of all ages, races, religions, economic status, ethnicities, abilities, gender identity and sexual orientation or anatomy at birth.

I think more inclusive and correct would be to say:

inclusive of people of all ages, races, religions, economic status, ethnicities, abilities, gender identity and sexual orientation or anatomy at birth.

Vincent
@Vinnl_gitlab
Well I think they're only focused on women, which is fine, but as I understood it womanhood is one's gender identity, so I'm thinking I'm probably understanding that incorrectly
Kyra Assaad
@KyraAssaad
In this case they are referring specifically to women because it’s a women’s health clinic.
@Vinnl_gitlab In general, I would say you’re correct that many women use “woman” as their gender identity, but I think they are trying to be inclusive of trans women and people who are assigned female at birth but might have a different gender identity that isn’t necessarily “woman” but still in the female part of the spectrum
Vincent
@Vinnl_gitlab
Ah gotcha, so e.g. "trans woman" is a specific gender identity that is a subset of "woman". That makes sense
oliviamrl
@oliviamrl
Hi all, I would love to join the meeting on 8th June! Where can I find the meeting info? That cal event link above didn't work for me
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
I' m afraid it doesn' t. for me it shows "Today"...
oliviamrl
@oliviamrl
Unfortunately doesn't work for me either. Says "Could not find the requested event."
Hindia M. Mohammed
@Hindia
doesnt work here too @MarrelleBailey
Marrelle Bailey (She/Her)
@MarrelleBailey
Making a new invite! Sorry about that @/all
Marrelle Bailey (She/Her)
@MarrelleBailey
For some reason it's not working. Do you all mind sending me your emails until I find a resolution? You can privately send it to me.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Kyra Assaad
@KyraAssaad
Interesting
Jeff Zucker
@jeff-zucker
I managed to find what a PWETF is, haven't found what a TPAC is yet
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@jeff-zucker W3C TPAC (Technical Plenary / Advisory Committee) event.. https://www.w3.org/participate/meetings https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC https://www.w3.org/2020/10/TPAC/
Jeff Zucker
@jeff-zucker
@sarven thanks, I eventually found that out. Hey, what if acronyms and terms were always linked to the vocabulary that defines them? Nah, that would never work :-)
Marrelle Bailey (She/Her)
@MarrelleBailey
Alrighty, @/all , tomorrow is the very first Diversity, Equity, and Inclusive Team meeting! The meeting is at 11 am EST and 5 pm CEST. Unfortunately, the link for the calendar invite is not working so if you haven't already please send me your email so I can invite you.
Marrelle Bailey (She/Her)
@MarrelleBailey
Please be sure to send my your email in a private message!
Marrelle Bailey (She/Her)
@MarrelleBailey
Hi @/all! We are an hour away from our very first DEI meeting! If you need me to add you to the invite, send me a direct message. If not, see you on Jitsi in an hour. The link: https://meet.jit.si/IntriguingSuspensionsSeekAhead
Marrelle Bailey (She/Her)
@MarrelleBailey
@/all here's the link for DEI Team meeting: https://meet.jit.si/IntriguingSuspensionsSeekAhead
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
Vincent
@Vinnl
First action item: solid/solidproject.org#587 :)
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
are you in the breakoutrooms (whhich don' t seem to be accessible via the URL) ? perhaps I do f5 ?
Vincent
@Vinnl
Ah sorry Matthias, the meeting's done
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
my router crashed (damn) do we have a follow-up-date already (first tuesday perhaps ) ??