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Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
It's like reporting a crook to the police. As a law abiding citizen, most don't know what to say, what is important, how to navigate through without being upset, etc. But this is not the same for crooks, as it's their profession... obviously, a well formed "reality engine" wouldn't be convenient for them, whilst a complete lack of resources to further STEM works to solve real world issues, is particularly problematic for the natural world
@konobi imho - decentralized verifiable claims, running off a decentralized network creates what I call, social encryption. If the verifiable interwoven datapoints are across.The web, interlinked, then to.change history, the difficult is much higher than modifying the database of a single operator, governed by a single jurisdiction. The.implication is, that an attacker would have to hack the web, depending on.The peer structures relating to the underlying set of claims
As noted, inconvenient for crooks
konobi
@konobi
With enough parity, it would make for a very tough time
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
Quantum computer resistant, perhaps
Unlike most moccasins
Blockchains, not.whatever that word is
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial–temporal_reasoning
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
@konobi i added that book to https://www.webizen.net.au/resource-library/book-library/ - FYI
Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
btw, unrelated to anything - how cool is this thing? https://github.com/pomber/github-history
konobi
@konobi
@dmitrizagidulin heh =0)
Tim Berners-Lee
@timbl
Vey nice
matrixbot
@matrixbot
yala Hi, Firefox 65 on Fedora 29 currently displays SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE on https://databox.me/ for me.
Tim Berners-Lee
@timbl
A great example of the “I want to view this thing with that viewer” two-uri problem we have all the time with linked data
matrixbot
@matrixbot
yala Who should I talk to or where would one report such an issue upstream? Is Manu Sporny (Gitter) knowledgeable of this?
konobi
@konobi
huh... it's giving me a choice of 2 certificates when visiting the URL
Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
@timbl ooh yeah, good point (re two-url viewer problem)
konobi
@konobi
different perspectives
Kingsley Idehen
@kidehen

@mediaprophet is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19IEgvdvwl_EOGhmIFinVQu4OerRojeje8PaZWGvoO4Q/edit#gid=0 a tools directory? If so, who controls read-write privileges ?

We desperately need a coherent protocol for filling this massive hole in the entire RDF-based Linked Data realm i.e., tools are too hard to find which inadvertently feeds a broken cycle that goes like this:

  1. Someone asks about existence of tools that addresses some problem
  2. Typical response: no such thing exists versus "I looked-up know directories and found nothing.."

I can convert Google Spreadsheet into 5-Star Linked Data (including a baseline ontology) in just a few mouse-clicks. Thus, we just need a place to seed this apps directory and a protocol for its maintenance are the missing pieces.

/cc @TallTed

Jeff Zucker
@jeff-zucker
@kidehen see also solid/community#35
and https://github.com/solid/community/pull/#37
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
@kidehen i put it together when i was doing some schema tools work
the doc has public edit permissions
Jeff Zucker
@jeff-zucker
Nice list!
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-schema-gen/2017Feb/0006.html
i’ve just changed the public permissions on https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VXBVte-ixR2Ryc9v1g4g2ayk4pkYDHU4hKp_AMpwzA/edit?usp=sharing to edit also
it’s a problem for w3 wiki pages too; often, the list of available tools are out of date
lots of dead links
@jeff-zucker / all - feel welcome to contribute to it; it was designed as a stop-gap
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
@kidehen the problem with the google-sheet, is both that it’s a manual process to go find all the resources as a researcher and that it doesn’t update; whereas if producers had a simple file to create, like readme.md or .rdf or whatever - alongside some sort of discoverability process
then in-effect, it could self-index
create a decentralised app store even, perhaps
i hope the concept makes sense...
konobi
@konobi
@kidehen the protocols likely exist already... there's an entire field where we deal with shuffling data around ontologies in a coherent manner already, it's just that it's a field a lot of us don't get a view into... network and data transit, not just TCP/IP, but bgp, igrp, ss7, etc... they should be reusable. The difference would then be in terminology and how that maps.
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
LDN ..
Thomas Francart
@tfrancart
@hashir107_gitlab : I run an online xsl2rdf converter : http://labs.sparna.fr/skos-play/convert. Initially made for SKOS, but can produce arbitrary RDF
Ruben Verborgh
@RubenVerborgh
My FOSDEM talk on Solid is online: https://video.fosdem.org/2019/Janson/solid_web_decentralization.mp4
(slides: https://rubenverborgh.github.io/Slides-FOSDEM-2019/)
I aim for this to serve as a reference presentation of the goals and technical underpinnings of Solid.
Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
nicely done!
konobi
@konobi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oyf4vvJyy4
^^ Talking about the commoditization of computing (it talks about cloud here... though the reasoning sticks past "cloud" into fog/edge and beyond)... was great insight, especially then, all the way back in 2010
(and by commoditization, that's more in the "utility" model... like electricity)
Muhammad Hashir Rizwan
@hashir107_gitlab
@tfrancart Thanks, I will check this :D
Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
@konobi oh man I LOVE that video. wardley maps are awesome!
Eduardo Ibacache Rodriguez
@eduardoinnorway
After Stockholm event, I got of course into discussion with a Blockchain cult follower, back and forward talks, I send him some links, today asked if I could help him get started with Solid, he got a business idea over the night :)
konobi
@konobi
@dmitrizagidulin heh, yeah... it's nice seeing simon pop up in videos, slides, etc.
konobi
@konobi
@RubenVerborgh great talk... video was good, though it appears there's a 30 second gap in the camera feed toward the end... though it doesn't get in the way of the message
Kingsley Idehen
@kidehen

@mediaprophet re :point_up: February 9, 2019 3:11 PM:

I should have been clearer, a Google Spreadsheet is just an option for those who find spreadsheet editing easy.

Ultimately, folks will be able to embrace and extend the kernel we create by just making notes in their respective pods. They will do this by hand (e.g., using Turtle editors) or via tools that can save to pods like dokieli, OSDE, OSDS etc..

@konobi :point_up: February 9, 2019 3:19 PM:
I am referring to an agreed upon protocols amongst those of us keen to build this missing apps directory :)
konobi
@konobi
@kidehen ah.
Ruben Verborgh
@RubenVerborgh
@konobi Thanks, the gap is so I can tell whether people really watched 😄