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Sebastien Dubois
@dsebastien
Hello everyone. Today I'm attending the data democracy hackathon in Gent, Belgium. Anyone else from the chat also joining?
I'm really curious to see what comes out of this 2-day workshop :)
Alain Bourgeois
@bourgeoa
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Mitzi László
@Mitzi-Laszlo
At least 26 people went to Solid Utrecht judging from this photo
Screenshot 2019-04-11 at 10.51.00.png
although there was at least one more back bench...
Anyone in Seattle? If so, please do connect with @jonpederson_twitter especially if you have built on Solid and would like to share your story at Solid Seattle
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
How many women?
Mitzi László
@Mitzi-Laszlo
5% ish
Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
solid community call starting now - https://zoom.us/j/121552099
Syed Jafar Naqvi
@naqvijafar91
Hi, I am a decentralized protocol developer, I was going through Solid and got very curious, I want to write an application on it, can somebody mention a typical architecture of a CRUD app on Solid, my main confusion is regarding the place of backend or server side code execution, is the server code goes to a user's pod and it is executed there, or the data from the pod is pulled by the application server, processed and put back into the respective user's pod?
for example, if I offer an online image processing service with my proprietary image compression, processing, etc algorithm, which currently executes in my cloud server, where would this code execute in Solid, in user's pod or my server itself?
Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
Reminder: no community group call next week. (easter / ppl traveling) will be resuming next week, but shifting to 16:00 CEST / 10am Eastern
Ana Junquera Méndez
@AJunque9
Hello! How can I deal with the folder Inbox? I don't really understand it's purpose. For example, can I send a notification to the folder Inbox of a friend? In that case, how should I do that? Writing in a rdf file? In which one? Thank you in advance!
Angelo Veltens
@angelo-v

for example, if I offer an online image processing service with my proprietary image compression, processing, etc algorithm, which currently executes in my cloud server, where would this code execute in Solid, in user's pod or my server itself?

The solid philosophy is to do as much as possible in the client. If that is not possible, you could do it on a specialized server, which is solid compatible or at least able to store the end result back to the users POD. In my opinion describing such APIs with Hydra does fit well into the Solid ecosystem. @naqvijafar91

@AJunque9 The inbox folder is basically a folder with "write-only" permissions for others. So you can wright any file to it. It should be RDF so an app of the inbox owner can look for types of notifications that are of interest for the app's purpose.
Syed Jafar Naqvi
@naqvijafar91
@angelo-v Yes thanks for clearing this doubt, do we have a sample CRUD todo app built on Solid, like a client in Angular or React, and backend in either Java or Nodejs, Go, etc ?
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
re: https://www.w3.org/2019/04/11-solid-minutes.html - IMHO, perhaps see whether its possible to couple WebID-TLS with a FOAF that identifies the machine (ie: Web Of Things related semantics, rather than foaf:person); and then, is it possible to factor for use with DNSoverTLS, which could in-turn be stitched into the back of the solid server
therein; the ability to use WebID-OIDC ‘over the top’, for user/profile AUTH
noting also, HbbTV’s and the like can accept TLS certificates. I’ve not tested writing a HbbTV app, that draws personalisation settings from a pod; but, its an interesting way to improve privacy, imho...

noting - this is from ~2013? http://mediaprophet.org/ux_KB/page4115294.html

Kinda illustrated my view, about how to make use of WebID-TLS certs...

Mitzi László
@Mitzi-Laszlo
@mediaprophet would you like to raise an issue for the next W3C Solid Community Group agenda ?
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
(http headers say - uploaded 29 Oct 2013 03:14:32 GMT, so, lots been done since then)
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b

@Mitzi-Laszlo not at this stage. I’ll have to do some work on presentation materials, that provides a broader ecosystems ‘concept overview’, as to incorporate AR (Augmented Reality - the web of ‘space’ / real-world), Web of Things, Naturalised interfaces and the relationship between interactivity and various ‘AI’ (inc. media processing, signatures, etc.) considerations; perhaps also, supply chains (ie: food), health, ‘smart cities’, ‘commons informatics’ (inc. open-data), societal systems, etc.

It’s only really at web-scale does this vastly more sophistocated solutions framework, start to demonstrate the attentive purpose, of doing things that are more complex than json/graphql.

Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
@bblfish re: Community Group Agenda - i remember some years ago, you spoke about the idea of ones own personal ontology / ontology creation ‘thing’, perhaps you remember and can describe to others?
Justin Bingham
@justinwb
@AJunque9 Check out LDN (Linked Data Notifications) for context - https://www.w3.org/TR/ldn/
Henry Story
@bblfish
I suppose one could write an ontology development app. A bit like Protege perhaps. Not that easy to do really well.
Ana Junquera Méndez
@AJunque9
@angelo-v @justinwb thank you very much!
konobi
@konobi
@bblfish I can think of a couple of folks who'd have an interest in that
Tim Berners-Lee
@timbl
@megoth_twitter is one
An app to just allow you to edit an ontology could be relaively simple if you are making a simple ontology using RDFS and minimal OWL. bUt the trick is editing and spotting the relationships with other ontologies, anddoing PREs into other peoples terms … the cpollaborative bit
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b

is 42?

I remember BBLFish discussing it as an objective project sometime ago.

One idea about how the UX might work in my mind, thought about the ability to expand upon the mind-mapping type of interfaces, but perhaps, introduce 3d - which has been done for mindmapping, but not for ontology work.

thereafter, in anycase: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-solid/2019Apr/0020.html which i see as complimentary to notes previously made https://www.webizen.net.au/?s=modal

Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b

@timbl re: https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2019/04/berners-lee-says-weve-messed-up-the-internet-but-it-can-be-fixed/ & therein, "Berners-Lee noted that an article with the headline "Clinton wanted Trump to win" was created by a group of schoolchildren in Macedonia and collected the largest Google ad payoff for a single story ever recorded. “

Do you have a pointer to cite?

I think, Good outcomes for forming a complimentary approach, will be good for the solid community
Ghost
@ghost~5c87f5d4d73408ce4fba6e3b

@mediaprophet I would so love to work on something like that, the problem is that I dont have the juice to do much myself. I still have good ideas and I can write code, but to keep going I need collaborators. I don't think I'm so different in that either. People are inspired in a group setting. That doesn't mean freeloading either. I read somewhere that the average shelf life of a coder is 5 years. So where do they go after that? Do they die, or maybe lose their minds? I don't think so. There are a lot of coders who are not students but are doing other things and who have some time, just not full time, to contribute. As the price of coding, just like music or other arts, gets driven down this is the case. But here's the thing about coders. They have to be invited. Not sneered at or told to wait until revelations come from the inner sanctum. Not just expected to show up like fraternity pledges. That doesn't cost much if you don't insist on approving every line of code and you settle instead for accepting what works. That is maybe hard to do but necessary. If a space can be created for a group of unvetted coders to do their thing but with some help with goals and benchmarks set in a sincere manner by the vetted ones, it could maybe lead to some productive outcomes. The key I think is usefulness, you will get more volunteers if their stuff is used. How do you make use of unevaluated code from unevaluated volunteers without spending much on evaluators? There should be a way. Personally I think web components could be very helpful, and maybe some innovative processes are needed too.

Full disclosure: I used to be tag42git on github but in a fit of pique I deleted that account so I have switched identities, same gender though. I'm still tag42git on the forum.

Christophe
@Psycop_twitter
At all: @dsebastien @SuperITMan @RubenVerborgh and some other Members here Say Hi from our 2day data democracy hackathon in Ghent Belgium today!
(It's on Solid, GDPR, getting data on a pod, coming up with business ideas that can attract customers to a pod)
Fabian Cook
@fabiancook
Whats the average career span here? I'm @ 6-7 years now...
Arne Hassel
@megoth_twitter
I’ve been a full-time programmer for 7 years or so, but worked part-time and studied for five years before that, doing a lot of programming then as well
Fabian Cook
@fabiancook
Nice. What languages have you been working with?
I try and get a diverse range of languages in.

Atm I'm using Java & JavaScript for a lot of things from small 50 people companies, to software thats been key to some projects requiring ~300 mil transactions to be processed in a short amount of time.

Where I'm working on Java, its usually to bridge them to the world of JavaScript

Arne Hassel
@megoth_twitter
JavaScript, HTML and CSS has always been at the center for my work as front-end developer, but I’ve also touched upon C# and Java with various frameworks, mostly to work on APIs that I needed for the various front-end applications
I did work with a framework called Enonic XP which enabled me to work with JavaScript on the backend through Nashorn, which was ok most of the time, but could also be quite hellish at its worst =P
now I try to focus mostly on JavaScript, HTML and CSS and hope that Solid servers can give me most of what I need wrt back end functionality ^_^
Ghost
@ghost~57bc59d440f3a6eec060e93b
I've been onto what's now moreover known as solid, atm, for ~19 years (since 2000, when I wrote a paper about an "iBank", inspired by a relatives work that won.him a Nobel prize (function of.synaptic nerve cells, John carew eccles) and my.Application of.that theory to.online data storage; moving forward, @sideshowtom, I'll follow-up.
konobi
@konobi
@megoth_twitter @timbl I'd think that perhaps a model toward that, would be to collaboratively work on definitions by creating the AST directly, rather than through text... which could be further constrained by shex.
Tim Berners-Lee
@timbl
AST?
konobi
@konobi
abstract syntax tree
Tim Berners-Lee
@timbl
Of an ontology for example?