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Sharon Stratsianis

@SharonStrats

@Mitzi-Laszlo Thanks Mitzi! I think I have a few more questions. I have forked the node-solid-server and having trouble with getting SSL to work also tried another set of instructions right now I can't find my tab, so many open LOL

@Mitzi-Laszlo I'm doing a Masters in Information Technology and working a project to implement location privacy in solid

Mitzi László

@Mitzi-Laszlo

Wonderful, with which uni? Would you like to jump on a call to chat? Curious to hear more about what you’re up to

Sharon Stratsianis

@SharonStrats

I would love to have a chat. I can't right now, basically I have 3 kids and one of them is using my phone right next to me playing Minecraft talking out loud to his friends. If I don't let him keep doing that I won't be able to talk anyway hahahaha

I'm in Melbourne Australia

where are you? It's 8pm here

can we talk tomorrow sometime?

Sharon Stratsianis

@SharonStrats

I'm going to email you something now

Mark Hughes (happybeing)

@theWebalyst

React NodeGUI is touted as a performant GUI alternative to Frameworks such as electron, for React and ReactNative:

https://github.com/nodegui/react-nodegui

Has anyone checked it out? Also posted to forum: https://forum.solidproject.org/t/react-nodegui-cross-platform-apps-with-react-reactnative/2154?u=happybeing

Sharon Stratsianis

@SharonStrats

I am wondering I have forked node-solid-server, it says in the instructions I can use bin/solid-test to avoid SSL for development but this is only a text file for me not an executable. I am not quite sure how to get the SSL working any suggestions?

i downloaded OPENSSL

i can open a command prompt for openSSL not sur ewhat command to run or how to tie them together exactly

Dan Keith

@DoctorBud

@SharonStrats assuming you are following these instructions:

https://github.com/solid/node-solid-server#running-in-development-environments

then it is odd that your bin/solid-test is not marked as executable. Perhaps you are in a Windows environment?

The instructions for openssl and creating a self-signed certificate are a little later in the docs above:

https://github.com/solid/node-solid-server#how-do-i-get-an-ssl-key-and-certificate

openssl req -outform PEM -keyform PEM -new -x509 -sha256 -newkey rsa:2048 -nodes -keyout ../privkey.pem -days 365 -out ../fullchain.pem

Mitzi László

@Mitzi-Laszlo

@all

Tomorrow there's a [W3C Solid Community Group] call at 1000 CEST

https://www.w3.org/community/solid/wiki/Meetings#20190822_1000CEST

If you are working on a panel please submit a pull on https://github.com/solid/information/blob/master/weekly-updates/next.md#panel-conversation-to-generate-proposals to let others know about progress this week, we'll go through this during the call too

Mitzi László

@Mitzi-Laszlo

Here is the next edition of This Week in Solid

The next call will be on the 29th August at 1600CEST. If you would like to add an item to the agenda do so here

solid-pay

@solid-pay

FYI:

https://twitter.com/tomayac/status/1164452852032593926?s=09

Mark Hughes (happybeing)

@theWebalyst

I went to my first JavaScript Meetup last night in Gloucestershire UK and recommend it. I also talked a bit about Solid and SAFE, more in the following post on the SAFE forum in case anyone is interested:

https://safenetforum.org/t/cheltenham-javascript-meetup-report/29641?u=happybeing

Interesting @solid-pay , thanks.

Mitzi László

@Mitzi-Laszlo

@happy-dev maybe something to include in This Week in Solid?

also, have you considered joining the External Interop Panel?

Mark Hughes (happybeing)

@theWebalyst

@Mitzi-Laszlo I assume that's me! By all means if you think it suitable. Dimitri (I think) invited me to that panel. Thanks, but I don't have time to add another channel although I am interested, so maybe I'll be able to help ad hoc.

Mitzi László

@Mitzi-Laszlo

Indeed, I meant you :) If you're interested in joining a panel you'll need to submit a pull request. This Week in Solid is a newsletter so you don't need to add another channel or subscribe, rather it's a good place to publish updates by submitting a pull request here

Mark Hughes (happybeing)

@theWebalyst

yeh, i meant the panel. PRs seem a bit convoluted but I'll see. Thx

Mark Hughes (happybeing)

@theWebalyst

Thinking about using GitHub for panels, weekly update etc... I get that may have been chosen to provide an open record (or other reasons) but I think it creates a barrier that will discourage engagement. How many people have even done a PR? I did one as a test in the last four years, and I am not sure that it's practical from mobile/tablet, so again it has to wait until I'm at my desktop, which is when I want to focus on code. Etc etc! Maybe that's just me of course 🙂

sideshowtom

@sideshowtom

@theWebalyst Hi Mark, sorry but I have to disagree. I think Github, for all its faults of centralization and privatization, was created as a tool for people to work together and it works pretty well. Joining a panel is just a way of liking it or voting for it and indicating a that you might post messages about it, or pull requests to the repository for the panel. Pull requests aren't easy but they're probably about as easy as they can make them and it won't be easy to duplicate or emulate the UI in solid anytime soon. Maybe joining a panel could be done outside of Github, but then to make contributions panellists will need to learn it. BTW thank you for all your work on Solid and SAFE!

Mark Hughes (happybeing)

@theWebalyst

Thanks Tom, no problem with different points of view! Maybe I don't understand what a panel is (and I don't know why this approach was taken so there may be other important factors I'm not aware of), but I'd say a forum or wiki is much more accessible for discussion - or even a gitter channel. There are many other options, and I'm not saying it should be X or y, just that I think using GitHub PRs is going to reduce participation.

Same for the weekly update, so I'm not just thinking about panels.

sideshowtom

@sideshowtom

@theWebalyst ... @Mitzi-Laszlo can explain better but I think panels are intended to come up with documents that describe proposed changes to the Solid spec documents. In doing that a prototype may or may not be created. So the panels foster cooperation to come up with something concrete beyond just conversations.

Mitzi László

@Mitzi-Laszlo

https://github.com/solid/process#solid-panels

Mark Hughes (happybeing)

@theWebalyst

Thanks both, I'll have a read.

Mark Hughes (happybeing)

@theWebalyst

I think I have read that before, at least the start, before I keeled over and thought this is over burdening (for me). I am a systems type, so I'm not saying it isn't needed or appropriate, but I'm not going to get involved in something like that when personally I prefer to do things without so much overhead and my guess it it will discourage others too. To join a panel you have to submit a PR seems daft (to me), while it also refers to a gitter channel for some things (but I've already forgotten what that is for - some of us have to read something like that several times to begin to understand it. I've always found the same with W3C specs, well specs in general, and I've had to read them for decades). The weekly update to would I think get more input if contributing was more accessible, although I'm not sure if there's an easy way to do that without an editor. My time at my desktop is limited, so I'll continue to focus on code when there. Let's see how it works out, I certainly hope enough people are willing to get involved in refining and improving Solid and it's spec, but I'm not sure I can contribute much to that anyway. I just thought it worth a comment.

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sideshowtom

@sideshowtom

I dont know how I would have made an initiative on AI and Solid without that structure. It may be inappropriate or it may fizzle out, who knows, but so far there is a repository and a start. Ive seen so many people come and go, and I'd venture to say that most of them don't get paid for this, so I think this kind of thing is helpful.

sideshowtom

@sideshowtom

most companies dont need this kind of thing, with them, its all opaque

Jordan Shurmer

@JordanShurmer

@theWebalyst good thoughts. Do you have any suggestions for better editing/plannig/conversation/documenting/etc tools that would provide similar features to what github repos provide, but without the burden that it brings for you?

(to be clear though, I personally find the github repos and the PR requirement and all that intuitive and enjoyable. But I do wonder what other sort of experiences there are for similar purposes)

Tim Berners-Lee

@timbl

Let’s make A solid based system which hits a sweet spot

Mike Adams

@mikeadams1

Solid Repo's?

Tim Berners-Lee

@timbl

Solid projects, solid issues..

Yes and solid repos

Dan Keith

@DoctorBud

@Vinnl_gitlab Thanks for the feedback. I added some explanatory text to https://smartdown.solid.community/public/smartdown/#/public/SolidLDFlex.markdown:

Smartdown is a Markdown-compatible language for authoring interactive documents. It resembles Jupyter, but has a version-compatible source format, and requires no server to remain interactive. Good for experimenting with, integrating and discussing other technology.
Solid complements Smartdown nicely, by providing a place and an authentication scheme to enable controlled access (read and write) to this data.

Mike Adams

@mikeadams1

That would be great!

Mark Hughes (happybeing)

@theWebalyst

:+1: all. I'm not saying don't use GitHub for collaboration, although I support moving everything off it when we can build something truly open/decentralised. That's not my issue here, it's ease of getting involved to find out if you can/want to contribute that I'm commenting on. I think to join a discussion could be easier using a mailing list , gitter channel or a forum topic - is that different from joining a panel? I'm not sure, I don't properly understand it yet from what I've read, but I'm thinking the first level of involvement in a group will be asking questions and joining discussion, so I'd think a private (readable by all) mailing list or forum topic might help adoption. There may be other collaborative tools, or not, I'm not knowledgeable about that so recognise I'm not able to be very constructive in my comments.

Mitzi László

@Mitzi-Laszlo

@theWebalyst panels can use any communication channel including the ones you mentioned (mailing list , gitter channel or a forum topic) and there is no obligation to join a panel.

Mike Adams

@mikeadams1

Not to change the subject but, is there a reason that https://solid.community/robots.txt is private?

Mike Adams

@mikeadams1

I think the panels are a great idea because it allows the drilling down of specific topics, issues, documentation and direction without cluttering up other communications like chat.

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