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Scott McWhirter
@konobi
I really need to get some clear headed time at some point to get into Representation Theory... since things keep pointing me in that direction
Dorian Taylor
@doriantaylor
reads as a patch between abstract algebra and linear algebra?
Scott McWhirter
@konobi
and throw in category theory for good measure
Dorian Taylor
@doriantaylor
interesting
i only got interested in linear algebra because i was trying to get up to speed on stochastic processes
normally i don't really care for numbers
but i got interested in stochastic processes because i got interested in modeling certain processes we might all be familiar with
(cough software time/cost estimation cough)
Scott McWhirter
@konobi
@doriantaylor Booles algebra (not the boolean algebra) kinda helped bridge my comfort there... njwildberger covers it quite a bit
Dorian Taylor
@doriantaylor
cool i'll look at it
Dorian Taylor
@doriantaylor
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
If solid is all about linked data and query by machine why is solid.community private?
both unreadable
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
That is not in the spirit of decentralization, is it? I mean, if google can’t crawl these servers, how can they be tested?
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
At present time, unless robots.txt is saying detach me for all data, solid is a silo and not decentralization
Julian Cole
@Julian-Cole
Hi @mikeadams1 i'm no expert in seo but couldn't you just submit single pages and use google site maps?
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
I mean as follows: IF I do work (be it coding, be it physical) I try to do it proper. cu at 10 eastern in the auth panel. I find it amazing I got the TLS-Login finally functional.........
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
@Julian-Cole Why does there always have to be an alternative? https://inrupt.net is not private, so why would solid.community or solid.authing.cn be private unless, there is some data there that, they do not want showing up in search. That to me is censorship. We should not be saying to the world that only certain variables of data are acceptable to store, and in an effort to keep out certain data from being queried, we are going to tell search bots to stay out. Is this a web decentralization project or, should it be renamed Solid Silo?
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
This is where there should be a discussion about rating and review pods. How to handle this on solid. Someone opened a solid pod or ten, and created crafty usernames (for seo results) about a business in an effort to create a public review of that company, which falls under Freedom of Speech rights in America, but the review was not pretty. So a lawyer calls up Inrupt and complains about their reputation and all of a sudden, the server is downgraded to experimental and no longer searchable? The power of using a solid pod to create a rating or review of a company, individual, or anything can be pretty sobering if its not in your favor. You can create any type of account like https://example-company-sells-snake-oil.solid.community. Back that up with some more uri's to further drive down the spike and create three other pods with similar user names and interconnect them and walla, your ratings pods are on top of google and on the first page of that business name.
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
And what about fake news: what if you get political and create WebID username headlines like https://president-trump-resigns.inrupt.net or, https://trump-declares-constitution-invalid.inrupt.net? so should WebID usernames be like a UUID's to prevent what some would consider spam, or abuse?
Aron Homberg
@kyr0
@mikeadams1 If you ask me, any system that doesn't provide total anonymity and holds public data in relation to users can be used to "score" people in some way.
Aron Homberg
@kyr0
@mikeadams1 Regarding the idea of reviews and rating, it's the same old discussion of freedom vs. security. I believe in the open web and I think any hierarchy of "power" and "control" regarding user generated content contradicts it's core values and leads to misuse and injustice at some point in time. The decentralized web gives us the one-time opportunity to give data into the hands of the users -- and into their responsibility as well. At the same time, a decentralized web requires a responsible use of it. For me, solid feels like a highway in the form of an asterisk... you can drive in any direction with any vehicle. May it be a bike or a tank. But once there is censorship, it would become a censored decentralized web. It is a philosophical question. But once one influential organization goes in the one way or another, towards freedom or security, we can be sure that it sets the "defaults" for the whole community. And so, I think the decision to introduce such measures should be very well thought out.
Jordan Shurmer
@JordanShurmer
It may turn out that there are just different philosophies across different Pod providers... Like some may end up enforcing strict rules and real person identification etc. etc. while others let whatever happens happen
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
@kyr0 All good points. But, censorship is no guarantee of security. Censorship is used by socialists governments all over the world to act as a sword over their people, and not as a shield of protection (security).
Jordan Shurmer
@JordanShurmer
we're not talking about govs here though. we're talking about individual solid server's right? It's more like a Terms of Use aggrement or EULA or something of that nature.
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
IMHO, If the solid server I am lead to believe is for Americans, and it is located in Germany, then the potential for my rights to be brought into conformity with German law could be considered as a breach of the public trust, especially, if it was the intent to bring another sovereign nations citizens into subjection surreptitiously .
Aron Homberg
@kyr0

@kyr0 All good points. But, censorship is no guarantee of security. Censorship is used by socialists governments all over the world to act as a sword over their people, and not as a shield of protection (security).

Yeah, right, that's why I'm against censorship. Wherever there is power, there will be misuse

Aron Homberg
@kyr0

we're not talking about govs here though. we're talking about individual solid server's right? It's more like a Terms of Use aggrement or EULA or something of that nature.

Yep, solid is decentralized, so everybody can decide for her/himself how to deal with that. But I agree with the basic idea of discussing such things -- because once major pod providers set their EULA/Terms of use in some way it acts as a signal to others. But anyhow, I think there are more important things to solve first :)

Matthias Evering
@ewingson
@mikeadams1 as you seem to question my motives, I stumbled upon solid, began experimenting and wanted to contribute something useful in the public interest. yes I' m hobby linuxer and not a full pro and wouldn' t call myself a disciple but a bit in that direction. we really have high potential. and I' m still fighting beginner' s bugs.....
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
guess we' re all still kinda exploring the whole thang
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
@ewingson Hey man, not sure where you got that from, I am not questioning your motives at all. AFAIK I was responding to @kyr0 , sorry for any misunderstanding.
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
sorry,just wanted to keep the discussion alive, I happen to be a pod-provider from germany and I thought you meant me.....
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
@kyr0 agreed but, I hope that the issues regarding robots.txt gets solved too.
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
sorry misunderstanding always better to talk.....
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
@ewingson No, not at all, my bad, just speaking in general did not mean to single you out.
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
@mikeadams1 no my fault, I think we need lotsa pod-providers and the tech sometimes overburdens me but am happy to have https://solidweb.org up and running so far ... ;-)
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
perhaps should have put the server in finland, who knows, (just kidding)
Mike Adams
@mikeadams1
Thats great man, so glad your on board and doing well with your pod server. Lots of issues to discuss about the future of solid and where we go and what we do with it, I still think that this is all in its infancy and lots of stuff to still work out. I don't see solid doing anything public for along time, and really, I am not sure it will ever be mainstream.
lol
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
we have to do it drop by drop
Julian Cole
@Julian-Cole
hi @ewingson just out of interest how much pod space do you allow for a pod account?
Matthias Evering
@ewingson
no idea how do I find that limit ?
guess it' s completely open
should have said 'set it' instead of 'find it'
or using default if that exists
Julian Cole
@Julian-Cole
lol - no idea as i'm a front-end guy; perhaps it defaults to sensible amount; someone else might know what it defaults to.