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Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
@csarven I am (as does the Credible Web CG, of course). Unfortunately, it's an extremely hard (and mostly political / social) problem, not really technical.
Scythesniper
@Scythesniper
@csarven not 100% positive on what you mean by "working on" but logically, the pneumonia concern could be relevant if the wearing of a face mask causes your immune system to drop in effectiveness
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@Scythesniper I meant along the lines of social and technical as @dmitrizagidulin said.
Scythesniper
@Scythesniper
@csarven gotcha, I would concur with @dmitrizagidulin in that case for the most part
I finally got my NSS setup and running, I feel like I'm back in the 90's to an extent
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
And what a feeling that is.
Scythesniper
@Scythesniper
right? the feeling of teaching myself HTML all over again
Dmitri Zagidulin
@dmitrizagidulin
lol
WhyINeedToFillUsername
@WhyINeedToFillUsername
Hi, I am very new to Solid. I am trying out the solid server, I've got it running using docker. I have logged in with my solid.community and here comes the stupid question - what else can I do with the server? :D I expected some UI other than a welcome/login screen. Is there a page that would explain the workflow with the solid server? I've read the github readme, but I am confused.
Scythesniper
@Scythesniper
@WhyINeedToFillUsername I'm pretty new to it as well, from what I gather from the forums. Solid isn't ready for normal users yet, just app developers. When I was messing around with it earlier I couldn't get any app to work properly running the server on windows with docker
WhyINeedToFillUsername
@WhyINeedToFillUsername
and what did you try doing with it exactly? :)
Scythesniper
@Scythesniper
I just tried to use the apps that have already been developed, I tried about 10 of them, I was able to get some of them to at least see data I added to my solid pod but none of them could manipulate it even though I gave them access to do so.
Mark Hughes (happybeing/theWebalyst)
@happybeing
I think setting up your own server is possible but as you've found, can be difficult. If you want to explore the potential of Solid apps you can create an account on somebody else's server such as https://solid.community. Hopefully it will be easier to host your own server, but I think it will always be for a small proportion of the population. I can envisage it being bundled with other products, but that defeats the object of self hosting to a significant extent (decentralisation, knowing what code is being run, independence of profit seeking companies etc).
Scythesniper
@Scythesniper
@theWebalyst yeah, I didn't expect it to be easy, I was hoping that development would be further along than it is and setting up a node on your own device would have been slightly more simplified. I am pretty sure it wasn't working because there are things I didn't setup, and I definitely did not make any likely necessary changes to the way my node server accesses the internet, this may have been why stuff wasn't working. I'd love to get involved more and help make things streamlined but I would need a lot of help and guidance. Probably more than most people in the community are willing to give.
Mark Hughes (happybeing/theWebalyst)
@happybeing
I wouldn't assume that. You may not always get a quick response but I've not seen anyone turned away. Setting up the server is something not many people are familiar with though, but I think the folks at Inrupt would be able to help. If you want to have a go, ping Mitzi to see if anyone there can help.
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
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Mitzi László
@Mitzi-Laszlo
Welcome to Solid @Scythesniper and @WhyINeedToFillUsername https://solidproject.org (
including the FAQs) and https://forum.solidproject.org are great places to read more about Solid and ask specific questions
Scythesniper
@Scythesniper
Thanks @Mitzi-Laszlo I have been reading the forum a little and I found this place via https://solidproject.org I feel like the site could definitely use more details than it has from an end user standpoint mainly
Mitzi László
@Mitzi-Laszlo
Thanks for the feedback @Scythesniper Here's an overview of what's in the pipeline for the website work https://github.com/orgs/solid/projects/12 If there's anything you would like to raise in particular you can either raise an issue to disccuss or make a specific suggestion by submitting a pull request
any thoughts on solid/pods#14 ?
Mitzi László
@Mitzi-Laszlo
If you are interested in presenting at the next Solid World on July 2nd let me know. If you want to give a talk that's not directly related to the current theme I'd still love to hear from you.
Scythesniper
@Scythesniper

any thoughts on solid/pods#14 ?

was this directed at me specifically or were you just asking everyone?

Mitzi László
@Mitzi-Laszlo
@Scythesniper input welcome, also from others
Scythesniper
@Scythesniper
ok, I'll take a look at it but not sure how much help I can be right now, maybe once I learn more I'll have better input :)
Mitzi László
@Mitzi-Laszlo
all good, thanks :)
Mitzi László
@Mitzi-Laszlo
Tune into the monthly webinar Solid World next Thursday at 1600 CEST. The channel will open 15 minutes earlier for those who would like to meet other members of the audience. This month, as Solid community manager I will be giving you an orientation of Solid as well as a general mid-year reflection. Read more on the agenda and register via the Solid World July invite.
Iwan Aucamp
@aucampia
Is there some tabular formats for encoding RDF?
like some CSV standard for encoding RDF?
Mark Hughes (happybeing/theWebalyst)
@happybeing
@aucampia I'm not sure if there's a standard. You can store RDF as a table of subject, object, predicate, graph which could be serialised as CSV.
matrixbot
@matrixbot
spoggy Iwan Aucamp (Gitter): could this felt your need https://scenaristeur.github.io/spoggy-simple/js-xlsx/
Iwan Aucamp
@aucampia
so you would have @id and @type columns
I'm thinking of just coming up with my own, basing it somewhat of JSON-LD
and then other columns headings would be would be <predicate_iri>|<predicate_type_iri>
or something
Iwan Aucamp
@aucampia
can I somehow validate RDF data against OWL?
Mark Hughes (happybeing/theWebalyst)
@happybeing
I wouldn't have it on JSON-LD as it's a dog's breakfast IMO (and not necessarily RDF compliant). Much simpler to use s, p, o, g. You could serialise that into JSON-LD of that's needed somewhere.
OWL isn't my area, but I think that's the purpose of it. There's a really good intro talk on validation using ontologies I could dig out. Not sure if it mentions OWL.
You might like to ask in https://gitter.im/linkeddata/chat
Iwan Aucamp
@aucampia
thanks Mark, I will ask there
matrixbot
@matrixbot
melvincarvalho Mark Hughes (happybeing) (Gitter): JSON-LD is a tricky one. It was designed to do one of two things. Either extract RDF from JSON. Or be a serialization for RDF in JSON. In the end the spec went with the latter. 1.0 was a reasonably good approximation. But lacked relative URIs. That's largely fixed in 1.1 Is there anything you dont like about JSON-LD?
melvincarvalho I think 1.1. is quite good in terms or RDF. Happy to hear thoughts otherwise. What would have been REALLY nice is if JSON had had a native way to serialize a URI e.g. with angle brackets <URI> like we use in Turtle. I believe that was discussed too. But it's not native and would require transpiling. And transpiling is a pain. Would have made life a lot easier tho if that was native in JSON. In another universe maybe!
melvincarvalho My feeling is that there's quite a large proliferation of JSON-LD now in 2020. e.g. the fediverse. Used on many millions of web pages for SEO in data islands. More than in the past, anyway. Turtle still very popular in LOD.
matrixbot
@matrixbot
melvincarvalho on the topic of rdf, cvs and JSON, I noticed something interesting yeterday
melvincarvalho this is the czech covid 19 data API
Mark Hughes (happybeing/theWebalyst)
@happybeing
Melvin, I don't like looking at JSON-LD is my main objection, added to the point that something in JSON-LD is not necessarily RDF compliant. I don't know if it is good for particular things other than people already having tools for messing with JSON (but I think that's double edged because people will not realised what RDF is about if they drift from JSON to using JSON-LD.
matrixbot
@matrixbot
melvincarvalho it has data in JSON, CSV and this other thing called "CSV Schema"
melvincarvalho the CSV Schema actually is JSON-LD or looks like it
melvincarvalho Mark Hughes (happybeing) (Gitter): turtle was designed for readability and for thinking in graphs. I really like it for that reason. It also has some nice properties such as allowing comments, and not needing a async lookup. The advantage that JSON-LD has over Turtle is that it has a native parser. JSON-LD is supposed to be RDF compliant. There was a lot of work to ensure that in the spec. Have you come across anything that isnt compliant?
matrixbot
@matrixbot
melvincarvalho I guess it's possible to write JSON which is a super set of JSON-LD that's not RDF compliant. And that's probably much harder to do anything useful with in Turtle.