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Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
that part is an extension of W3C ACL
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
I don't know why you should or not. I'm merely trying to understand how your systems are making use of WAC/ACL... and comparing with how Solid is going at it. Trying to find where things can be reconciled or really FUBAR'd.
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
but what use case are we talking about here?
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Extension of W3C ACL?
I just said.. client. If I have an article and I only want you to read it, how would I achieve that?
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
if you want to read it but currently do not have access?
request read access
the app admin will see a request and grant it - or deny it
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Is app admin like the owner or controller of the resource?
Does that mean that acl:agent doesn't actually control ( in the general sense) the resource referred from accessTo?
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
yes the one has acl:Control over the ACL
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Say foo.acl has policy with acl:agent myWebID with acl:mode Control. Is that not sufficient for an application to be able to update the ACL resource/policy for the authorized agent (myWebID)?
I'm trying to circle back to how an application discovers a resource's ACL and whether they can PUT/PATCH an ACL - without taking on another mechanism to request the change.
Do you distinguish the mechanism to update ACL resources from other resources?
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
we distinguish in the sense that end-user data is segregated from the administration data (ACL, model, sitemap)
they are stored in two separate datasets
and accessed through two separate apps backed by the respective datasets
so you could update the ACL data in the admin app if you have control access
but not as an end-user in the end-user app
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
does it help?
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
I think so. I don't sense there is anything particularly conflicting on how the ACL vocab is used. HOwever, as to how WAC works seems different.
For example, your system doesn't make use of Solid's ACL inheritance algorithm.
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
no
i think we talked about this before
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Creating, deleting, updating ACL resources also appears to be differen.t
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
maybe with @dmitrizagidulin
inheritance specifically
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Possibly. I can't recall.
I'm sure we talked about divergence though.
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
in our system there's always default ACL because all documents have foaf:Document as supertype, and it has ACL attached
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
I think I have an idea on how we can do this without overstepping on how ACL is used.
Literally foaf:Document?
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
indirectly
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
Declarative or not?
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
declaratively in an ontology
through rdfs:subClassOf
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@/all We will give a short update on CG's activities (specs, panels..) in the next Solid World event: https://www.w3.org/community/solid/wiki/Meetings#2020-07-02 -- note that this is a 5 minute slot. Since this is the first update we are giving on what the CG is up to, I'd also like to use the opportunity to give an outline what the CG is all about, how we are going at it.. and just get people's attention (especially those that are not working on specs) eg. we need different stakeholders to share their use cases, or make sure to keep an eye on submitting an implementation report etc. If there are some high level items that we should mention, please update the wiki.
Justin Bingham
@justinwb
@csarven added a link to the june interop panel update in the forum
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@justinwb Is that covering something in particular not listed in the agenda? Prefer not to refer to the forum because it is not a canonical source for the CG activities. If there is something significant in that forum post, we should publish in the wiki or elsewhere close to the specs/panels. IMO
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@namedgraph_twitter For the most part, does your system only makes use of or relies on the ACL vocab? As opposed to WAC on W3C wiki
Justin Bingham
@justinwb
@csarven it’s just a monthly update for the panel to share w/ the community
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
@csarven wait. are these not the same things?
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
@justinwb I thought I covered the gist of it in the outline. But if you'd like to point people to a monthly update, can we have that information in the wiki or in the panel repo? Don't want people to rely on the forum for the CG. It is a non-starter.
@namedgraph_twitter I think generally we use ACL and WAC interchangeably.. but specifically, there is the ACL vocab and then there is the WAC documentation about how ACL is used as part of the mechanism.
I'll bring this up in the authorization-panel today ( in 40 minutes). It is clear that the ACL vocab is used by different (eco)systems.. so when we/Solid group publishes the WAC spec, it may need to be Solid-centric.
But then again, I take it that you don't use https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl - or have diverged from that.
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
we use the vocabulary only
Sarven Capadisli
@csarven
OK, that makes it easier. So, you don't particularly care what happens to wiki/WAC right?
Martynas Jusevicius
@namedgraph_twitter
well the vocabulary-based examples and diagrams are helpful