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Sindre Aarsaether
@somebee
@altteo happy to discuss further. We now have private fields (#something) which acts same way as Ivars before
I'll do a cast tomorrow to highlight how I would do things you talk about with new syntax.
But I'm still open for keeping implicit self
Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
@somebee How we can discuss? Didn't here you a long time :-)
Sindre Aarsaether
@somebee
We could do a Skype call or two :p I'm only on my phone today, but reading the discussion
Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
@akaufmann here some realworld chunk of code
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there two steps in mind-switching. first one - to use : for properties and . for calling functions for several years. The second - you understand that its all the same and colons just add more mess, but do not help to understand.
colons and dots... it looks like they are random. empty () will make a lot more mess.
André Kaufmann
@akaufmann

I totally agree (dot vs colon).

empty () will make a lot more mess.

I am used to my parentheses :-D

Sindre Aarsaether
@somebee
In all the places you use colon in the example above I would have used class fields (memoized out of the box), or getters. The example would look essentially look the same but without any colons
Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
Imba looks like toy, seems that you could not do anything major (it even does not have pointers!). But it is absolutely new feeling when language is such light (maybe python or ruby devs will not fill it). So I want to keep this lightness as much as possible.
Implicit self helps to make language light, empty parentheses don’t
@somebee when we will need () then?
Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
@somebee in my example I make additional functionality to the js object that was imported in imba.
adding own class over that object is just proxying and a way to errors.
André Kaufmann
@akaufmann

But it is absolutely new feeling when language is such light

This drove me to Imba. At first I thought it couldn't get any easier than with Svelte ... and then came Imba. But every now and then implicit things or magic can become problematic. For small projects this is often not the problem but when it gets more complex it can lead to problems. I haven't done a big project in Imba but I know it from the JS framework world. But my team and I are currently deciding what to use for our next big project and since there is no experience how Imba behaves in big projects (there is no TS which is essential for us) it is a risk. So we observe the development because it’s cool :)

Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
We made big project with imba, and no regrets. But we had a separation of concernes. First - force designer to learn imba. :-)
At any moment you can fallback to vanilla js... but this option was never used in our project
imba memoized dom really changes approach. For example you should keep state just in a class. You do not need redux or mobx.
it runs very fast on the server on node.
Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
The things that i needed to dive in: bundling (we have chosen parcel at that moment), css approach (we have chosen stylus), and async/await - there are some problems in the browser (not node) - but it is not imba related problem.
The project was - several online games with the admin panel and a server. Data is stored in firestore.
the only thing that we have not used is server rendering.
Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
And one more time - we didn’t have any imba related issues (we used ver 1.4.2)
Before imba we used miphryl, angular, react, vue. After imba it fills like perversion.
André Kaufmann
@akaufmann

the only thing that we have not use was server rendering.

We need SSR because we are an ecommerce platform. So this is a feature that we are watching closely.

Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
This also should not be a problem - @somebee uses it everywhere as i understand.
but you always could use some caching service for SEO indexing
in my opinion ssr is also a perversion. Needed only to satisfy google.
André Kaufmann
@akaufmann

I know and I trust @somebee but getting SSR/SSG right is tricky. Take a look here https://twitter.com/devongovett/status/1222953655722110981. Even with Next.js or Gatsby, it's not perfect and that's what they're there for.

I would remove SSR as soon as it is no longer necessary - makes a lot of things more complex - but we are not living in this time yet.

Eric Vida
@ericvida
same guy from tweet then says that Svelte is in the best position to solve this. https://twitter.com/devongovett/status/1223017940208848897?s=21
So maybe imba is too.
Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
With ssr you will face a lot of hidden problems. For example competitors could ddos your server, or parse catalog once an hour.
if i would need to make an ecommerce site i would do it as an js application (made with imba) hosted as static files and some online db (like firestore).
And for seo i would use services like: https://renderjs.io/ , https://prerender.io/
With this approach you won’t need a server at all
Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
server nowdays is needed only if you need some center generated content, or for some procedures (for example proceeding new orders) but in this case it is easier to use microservices to send order to email or push it to crm through api
Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
Also want to mention that ssr architecture is not future-ready. How you imagine ssr using webassembly? We are moving towards the world where browser replaces os and is a platform for running spplications (we are already there). The world where server has addresses and returns pages on those addresses is in the past.
Otherwise you just need some templating engine (like pug), but not super tool for spa.
André Kaufmann
@akaufmann

if i would need to make an ecommerce site i would do it as an js application (made with imba) hosted as static files

We can't use SSG because it's a platform. New content is created every few seconds. It's kind of like Ebay or Airbnb.

Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
Firestore is real-time db. You can do multiuser games with it
it is not the matter of interface it is a matter of db
The main question you should have - what will we do when our server startes to freez. And what will we do after we plug in all the hardware in it and it is still freezing (because of the heavy load)
André Kaufmann
@akaufmann
You have to feed Google + FB + other crawlers. Firebase cannot help you here. You need your content to be indexed as soon as possible, not a few days later
Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
There are apis for adding new content to google and fb.
The fastest way is to make a rendered page (on third-party service) and add it to the google and fb api. It is server-side task, not concerning end-user expirence
André Kaufmann
@akaufmann

The main question you should have - what will we do when our server startes to freez. And what will we do after we plug in all the hardware in it and it is still freezing (because of the heavy load)

We use the power of Cloud Run/Firebase hosting and the expertise of the engineers there.

Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
Did you know that it is very easy to write firebase functions with imba? :-)
André Kaufmann
@akaufmann

The fastest way is to make a rendered page (on third-party service) and add it to the google and fb api. It is server-side task, not concerning end-user expirence

No, it doesn't work that way.

Fedor Leschinsky
@altteo
why?