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    Alan Shaw
    @alanshaw
    nice one
    Alex Potsides
    @achingbrain
    i know - minimum viable, right?
    Alan Shaw
    @alanshaw
    @achingbrain having second thoughts about pushing this multi kill/restart into the daemon
    the beauty of connecting to the remote process is that it verifies the user has access to do the action
    we lose that knowledge telling the daemon to do it...
    sorry, took me a while to realise this!
    Alan Shaw
    @alanshaw
    @achingbrain quick question - bs useradd does there have to be an account with the same name on the machine you’re adding the user on?
    Alex Potsides
    @achingbrain
    yes
    otherwise the unix permissions thing falls over
    Alex Potsides
    @achingbrain
    @all Do you think it would be rude of the daemon to create the group it's supposed to be running as on first start?
    just trying to think about the first use experience
    the default group is 'staff' which is fine for dev on os x but on linux can cause problems
    debian etc has a 'staff' group by default but it has no members
    was thinking of changing the default group to 'boss' instead
    I figure there's sort of precedent - if I apt-get install apache, i get a www/apache group along with it
    Oli Evans
    @olizilla
    i think is fine
    i think is good practice
    Alan Shaw
    @alanshaw
    you could prompt?
    Oli Evans
    @olizilla
    do the "right thing" by default for them that wouldn't do it themselves
    allow the wizards to opt out it really offends them
    as you say, apt has been doing it without ruffling too many feathers forever
    Oli Evans
    @olizilla
    had an odd one last night
    trying to bs stop [pid]
    Alex Potsides
    @achingbrain
    something you ate?
    Oli Evans
    @olizilla
    boss would kill the proc
    but then start it back up
    and inc the restart count
    and then i ate it