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Piotr Gawryś

@Avasil

In your previous example, you probably don't need bracket and could call guaranteeCase and it will be cancelable

Or put code you want to cancel in use block ( value => ...)

Daniel Spiewak

@djspiewak

so in order to do something like statement.cancel(), you're probably going to need to play the same trick that fs2 plays in eval

which is to say, you need to race an IO against the one which is actually doing the work

where that IO is defined by IO.never with an onCancel that allows you to call things

it's slightly janky, but interrupting synchronous things is most definitely not intended to be a primary use-case

you can't do it reliably, and it's relatively rare that an upstream library defines a deterministic way of doing so without also being asynchronous

ruslan

@unoexperto

@Avasil Trick with guaranteeCase worked. Thanks! Also I didn't realize that value returned from IO on which I call .bracketCase is sort of seed value. Generally I feel like whole thing is much more complicated than it should be. At least compared to zio.

Piotr Gawryś

@Avasil

ZIO works the same way in this regard. The main purpose of bracket is safe acquisition and release of resources, e.g. file handle or database connection. You have (acquire)(use)(release). Neither acquire nor release can be cancelable because we could end up with corrupted state or leak resources

Gavin Bisesi

@Daenyth

it's pretty clear that zio has to work the same way because you can use ZIO with cats-effect Bracket

hmm

Is there any kind of (fa: F[A]).recoverSomeT[E2]( e: E => ???: E2 ) => EitherT[F, E2, A]

John A. De Goes

@jdegoes

@unoexperto Easy-peasy.

ZIO.uninterruptible {
  for {
    statement <- createStatement(query)
    fiber     <- ZIO.interruptible(executeStatement(statement).fork)
    results   <- fiber.join.onInterrupt(cancelStatement(statement)).ensuring {
                   cleanupStatement(statement)
                 }                
  } yield results
}

Be sure to surround the blocking bits by blocking { ... }.

Ross A. Baker

@rossabaker

v2.0.0-RC1 is here: notes, tweet

Gavin Bisesi

@Daenyth

lovely, somehow I deadlocked my IOApp with a lazy val on a parent trait :|

Daniel Spiewak

@djspiewak

@Daenyth yeaaaaaah… the curse of lazy val

Ryan Peters

@sloshy

@djspiewak @Daenyth I'm curious - can you elaborate? Does it have to do with how the laziness from IO/etc is different from the nature of lazy val being more of a memoized def?

Daniel Spiewak

@djspiewak

it's unfortunately more than a memoized def

it's an exactly-once memoized def with support for concurrent access

that implies two things

first, accessing one is a memory barrier, even if it's already been evaluated

second, there's a lock wrapped up inside it which covers the evaluation

Ryan Peters

@sloshy

Well, heck. Good to keep in mind.

Daniel Spiewak

@djspiewak

yeah they're kind of terrible

what I really want is a "deferred evaluation" lazy val

Paul Phillips, ages and ages ago, proposed adding an annotation for this

I would absolutely love that as a feature, but it never made it

Ross A. Baker

@rossabaker

Runar has a library with various lazy semantics. I don't think I'd take it as a dependency, but it's interesting reading on the tradeoffs. There's an SIP out there, too.

Daniel Spiewak

@djspiewak

yeah it's a fun little library

there are some gotchas to it though

Ryan Peters

@sloshy

It sounds like in most cases where I'd want a lazy val I'd be better off structuring my app around Deferred instead.

Daniel Spiewak

@djspiewak

in many cases, yes

the few times I use lazy val intentionally these days are when constructing infinite recursive effects

I could just use def instead but it cuts down on the allocations

Ryan Zeigler

@rzeigler

Related to the concurrent structures. Is there a use case that MVar really excels at. Every time I reach for it, I pause and then find a different primitive fits better for what I want

Daniel Spiewak

@djspiewak

MVar doesn't work well for much of anything. It kind of conflates two concerns in this rather odd way

I've seen people use it as a singleton semaphore for tests

but even that seemed a bit less useful than… Semaphore

Piotr Gawryś

@Avasil

Maybe some producer-consumer scenarios but there is also just 1-element async queue

Fabio Labella

@SystemFw

@rzeigler I reached the same conclusion, which then led me to design Ref + Deferred the way they are, to avoid conflating concurrent state and synchronisation

ruslan

@unoexperto

Guys, I've asked few questions about fiber cancelation yesterday and look like release handler of IO.bracketCase() is called in the same thread I'm executing IO with. For me it means if IO contains blocking operation I can't really cancel it. Is there a way to overcome it ?

Dan Di Spaltro

@dispalt

@rzeigler I was thinking like token refreshes on some client side api

Ryan Zeigler

@rzeigler

ah, like it has expired so don't use it until we insert a new one that can be consumed?

Oleg Pyzhcov

@oleg-py

@unoexperto in case of cancellation, finalizer call originates on thread that triggers cancellation.
https://scastie.scala-lang.org/4CnzLEZfRG6ze79PY150Fg

Gavin Bisesi

@Daenyth

So far we've bit ourselves multiple times by having failures preventing our IOApp from coming up. Does anyone have a pattern or example of some kind of automated testing? Maybe some kind of scalatest src/it magic that can launch an IOApp main process into a separate jvm or something and perform some kind of health check -> sigterm ?

Ross A. Baker

@rossabaker

What is "not coming up"? Not working and not exiting?

Gavin Bisesi

@Daenyth

Latest example was a deadlock on a lazy val on the object which was trying to lzyCompute$ from inside an IO

but I also have hit classpath issues which got masked by the "doesn't exit jvm when not NonFatal" bug

Ross A. Baker

@rossabaker

I don't know how we'd implement a universal health check. There isn't really a life cycle beyond List[String] => IO[ExitCode].

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