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21st
Nov 2015
Miles Sabin
@milessabin
Nov 21 2015 11:48
Quick update on the Typelevel Summit: @non and I are having a chat with @bmc on Monday to get things moving.
I'm also wondering if we could get something together in Berlin immediately before/after Scala Days ... what do people think?
Ghost
@ghost~540393fe163965c9bc2018ce
Nov 21 2015 11:49
that would convince me to go to Scala Days
possibly even just the typelevel summit bit
Miles Sabin
@milessabin
Nov 21 2015 11:49
Yeah, that's my thought too ;-)
Ghost
@ghost~540393fe163965c9bc2018ce
Nov 21 2015 11:50
(it really hit me how crappy the deal is for speakers at scala days recently... no free tickets for friends, no time socialising with the organisers, no expenses, no nuthin'!)
they even excluded speakers from the second day event last time
the "typesafe partners" bit
which was really shitty
at least scala exchange give a free ticket for a friend (monetary value) and a meal with all the other speakers (and the keynotes) the night before the conference starts
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Nov 21 2015 15:51
Yeah it's just too expensive to justify. I can go to three regional confs for what it would cost to go to full-priced Scala Days in NYC.
It's also just shitty of them.
Cody Allen
@ceedubs
Nov 21 2015 16:02
ScalaDays tickets cost $600+ dollars last year too, right? What’s the justification for doing that and not paying for speaker expenses? The conference is just meant to put money in the organizers’ pockets?
Michael Pilquist
@mpilquist
Nov 21 2015 16:03
i’m pretty sure typesafe doesn’t make a cent on scaladays
Cody Allen
@ceedubs
Nov 21 2015 16:03
where does the money go?
Michael Pilquist
@mpilquist
Nov 21 2015 16:04
i believe just covering expenses
san fran / nyc aren’t cheap places to hold a conf
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Nov 21 2015 16:05
Didn't Jon fly all the speakers to ScalaWorld and pay for their lodging?
Cody Allen
@ceedubs
Nov 21 2015 16:05
nescala in nyc was $50 to attend
As I see it, it’s a major inclusivity issue. Mostly the people who will go will be people whose company will cover the expense. And since there’s already a huge diversity issue in this industry, that bias is being propagated into the conference.
Ghost
@ghost~540393fe163965c9bc2018ce
Nov 21 2015 16:06
I struggle to see that the Scala Days in Amsterdam didn't make a profit for them. Two days in Amsterdam, 1000+ participants?
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Nov 21 2015 16:06
I don't know any other [non-academic] conf that doesn't at least let speakers attend the conference!
Cody Allen
@ceedubs
Nov 21 2015 16:06
It’s not how you bring new faces in
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Nov 21 2015 16:07
Yep.
Michael Pilquist
@mpilquist
Nov 21 2015 16:08
the fact that nescala keeps admission to $50 is great, but keep in mind that it is a much smaller group, and i know the organizers work very, very hard to find venues that are big enough while keep cost to $50
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Nov 21 2015 16:08
Doesn't StrangeLoop provide for speakers? That's a huge conference
Cody Allen
@ceedubs
Nov 21 2015 16:09
to be fair St. Louis is a very low-cost place
Rob Norris
@tpolecat
Nov 21 2015 16:09
I mean if you have 1000 people of whom like 40 are speakers it seems like you could at least let them in for free.
Cody Allen
@ceedubs
Nov 21 2015 16:09
I lived there as a college student a couple summers :)
Erik Osheim
@non
Nov 21 2015 16:43
yeah i <3 nescala, but it has a different problem which is that there is very little supply of tickets
so new folks who might be on the fence about attending have very little chance of getting tickets.
it's a tough problem (keeping costs low while allowing lots of folks to attend)
Seth Tisue
@SethTisue
Nov 21 2015 20:05
without addressing the larger issue, I can confirm that Scala Days does not make a profit