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    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    got it @almereyda
    matrixbot
    @matrixbot
    yala coucou
    yala Checking back in from the other side.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    :)
    prairie fox
    @GCEH_twitter

    @fosterlynn Thank you very much. I don't have buy in yet but I am setting things up for that. I feel that there is a significant interest in this idea in Calgary and Alberta, Canada which are going through very difficult times with the drop in oil prices and the need for diversification.

    Otherwise, a couple people said that the Federal ministry of Economic Development and Innovation would be interested in this. I have some interest from a tech consultancy as well working in public policy.

    You're right, now that we've got the theory down, a couple friends and I are going to make a minimum viable product (MVP) of "maplesyncalpha" or the first generation of actually practicable maplesync. I see valueflows as essential: this is what I wrote of their first application in the whitepaper. I hope there will be uptake as I see it as essential:

    Value Flow Model (CanEcSims)
    The purpose of this is to develop a comprehensive accounting system of the actual physical throughput of our economy. What is meant by this is understanding the material flows of resources, their recipes to create commodities and products, and so forth. If we can model and map how resources are processed, we will be able to identify where sub-optimal wastages occur at the scale of the national economic system. This will help to guide policy, but more importantly, guide entrepreneurs to opportunities that might help optimize or reinvent the entire economy. This system will likely use Resource-Event-Agent (REA) Accounting, and also could be thought of as a treasure map with sponsored bounties.

    The website is constantly being updated: www.maplesync.ca. I have the documents all in podcast form now.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Thanks @GCEH_twitter ! Just ping us if/when you would like input or help with VF in your project...
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    @almereyda ping! I think we can schedule our next attempt at moving from github... what works for you, I can do pretty much any day. Try Friday again?
    matrixbot
    @matrixbot
    yala Hi Lynn Foster (Gitter) , sorry I didn't get your ping 😢 I'm online now, and as with your activity in the issue, I assume you'd be around?
    yala Sorry for the confusion, pings will reach me here (in Riot) via "yala". (Simply type yala somewhere in your comment, and Riot picks it up.)
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    @yala I"m around, but looks like I missed Tibi...
    We need to go to town in about 6 hours, will be mostly around until then. Maybe I'll ping Tibi also by email and see if we can get that done? Or we just wait?
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    I emailed Tibi too, will let you know...
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Thinking about it, we aren't actually in a hurry, let's just wait until we have everyone....
    matrixbot
    @matrixbot
    yala For me both is fine. Apparently we'd also want to wait for Florian Kleedorfer (Gitter) ?
    yala To add his GitHub social log in.
    yala With these preparations, the next run should be final, and it's also conducted easily. So no need for rush from my side.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Yes, Florian and Tibi. Let's just wait. Won't be today. I'll ping here and in the issue when we are ready.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Both are there now, we are ready whenever we want to do it @yala @almereyda .
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Oops, probably not @fkleedorfer - he is there, but I can't see if he did the social github thing. Sorry for false alert @yala @almereyda !
    matrixbot
    @matrixbot
    yala Okay, seems we're good to go. The identities tab in his account preferences shows an associated GitHub ID in the administration area.
    yala Would you like to schedule the migration jobs, in so all eventual further events that impersonate s/o else w/o an associatable identity will be associated to you, instead of me?
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    doesn't matter :)
    I'm booked all of today, but any time after that - I don't mind doing it, also happy to have you do it, you're long time VF! - but would like to be both online coordinating in any case
    matrixbot
    @matrixbot
    yala Good. I'm on-screen tomorrow, so there's a good chance to coordinate.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Ok let's try for that, i'll check in when I get online in the morning.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Good morning @yala @almereyda , have had a meeting and gone for a walk, want to do breakfast at some point.... should we switch to the internal chat?
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Ate breakfast, ready to work whenever you are. No rush.
    matrixbot yala is joining at Gitter.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    The migration from github to gitlab is complete! And looks good. Here is the new location: https://lab.allmende.io/valueflows
    matrixbot
    @matrixbot
    yala That was quite a ride (: Happy to have you aboard.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Happy to be there!! :)
    Bob Haugen
    @bhaugen
    @yala thanks for the ride! @matrixbot
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    @yala @almereyda see the internal chat please....
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    @yala I'm having some trouble with the mirroring, can you give me some help? Thanks!
    matrixbot
    @matrixbot
    yala Hi Lynn, thanks for keeping me posted. After a midsummernight fest I'm restoring the wiring in my appartment and will return to the screen afterwards. Please give me about a day.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    @yala Thanks for getting back! Sure, let me know....
    Florian Kleedorfer
    @fkleedorfer
    How do you want valueflows cited in a scientific publication? Is there a publication about VF? Anything in particular, for citing the RDF ontology? (If you have no particular resources, I'll go with citing https://valueflo.ws)
    (Sorry for the low profile recently. I've been working on an approach to realize valueflows models based on WoN, one attempt based on SHACL, one attempt based on PDDL, now we're implementing. So far, though, all you can do is create resources ;-). Will let you know as soon as there is more to see.)
    Bob Haugen
    @bhaugen

    How do you want valueflows cited in a scientific publication? Is there a publication about VF? Anything in particular, for citing the RDF ontology? (If you have no particular resources, I'll go with citing https://valueflo.ws)

    Bill McCarthy did it like this for an upcoming American Accounting Association monograph:
    ValueFlows Project. (2017). Value Flows Principles. Retrieved from Value Flows Project: https://www.valueflo.ws/introduction/principles.html

    But what you wrote is ok too.
    Bob Haugen
    @bhaugen
    As far as I know, there is not a printed book or academic paper specifically about VF, but it's been cited in several papers and is mentioned in this book: http://commonstransition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/AccountingForPlanetarySurvival_defx-2.pdf
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    Yeah, might be best to just cite the general link? Doc structure could change I suppose.

    So far, though, all you can do is create resources ;-).

    That's exciting though. :) Yes, please do let us know, I'd be very interested in how you've fit in with the WoN. And we do have more than one project going with requirements for offers and requests.

    matrixbot
    @matrixbot

    yala Eventually that means it would be time for a PDF whitepaper? Could that simply be a compilation of selected parts of the docs, maybe?

    When publishing a release to GitHub (sic!), one can link that to zenodo.org and receives a DOI. Or we find an Open Access Journal that would accept a potentially out of band contribution.

    matrixbot
    @matrixbot

    yala There's an open CfP at the natural fit of the Journal of Peer Production until 30.07. ... http://peerproduction.net/editsuite/cfp-jopp-15-transition/

    That could be an 8.000 chars peer reviewed paper, or a 2.000 chars non-peer-reviewed follow up to http://peerproduction.net/issues/issue-4-value-and-currency/invited-comments/between-copyleft-and-copyfarleft-advance-reciprocity-for-the-commons/ or alike.

    Bob Haugen
    @bhaugen
    I'm writing a series of somethings about economic networks, starting here:
    http://mikorizal.org/economic-networks.html
    But probably moving to a blog in the fediverse.
    Feel free to piggy-back or re-use any of it.
    Lynn Foster
    @fosterlynn
    I'm not really much of a writer, but am happy to review others' work and suggest.