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  • Jul 11 2015 18:57
    johannesbottcher commented #3
  • Jul 11 2015 17:23
    vermiculus commented #3
  • Jul 11 2015 16:26
    johannesbottcher commented #3
  • Jul 11 2015 16:06
    vermiculus commented #2
  • Jul 11 2015 16:06
    vermiculus opened #3
Sean Allred
@vermiculus
@jpallen User-submitted templates are something to keep in mind. One of TeX's greatest strengths is the diversity of its user-base (many STEM users, but also many other/hobbyist users) – letting them contribute is something that should be maintained. I think though that as far as a backend is concerned, pull requests are ideal. Front-ends can offer solutions for users (that are not registered with GitHub, for instance) to submit a template and a PR is created from that by a bot. @gitter-badger is such a user.
Clemens Niederberger
@cgnieder
I don't insist on a forum (and of course not on mine, although it doesn't work much differently than latex-community.org/forum) of course, but I believe it would be easier to have structured discussion in a forum. Even a mailing list would be an easier alternative to a chat IMHO
Sean Allred
@vermiculus
@cgnieder The licensing question is of course on-topic and I wouldn't mind keeping it purely in-chat, but this is perhaps something that should be more persistent and available so – I'v made #2 to facilitate that.
@cgnieder My point is that the conversation is split into 'what to do about the actual problem at hand' and 'where to talk about this information'. The second is meta and rightly confuses matters, but it's transient: that will go away once there is agreement.
Clemens Niederberger
@cgnieder
@vermiculus »forum infrastructure he uses is lacking in usability (sorry!)« can you explain this in more detail? Otherwise there's no improvement. I am using the very well known bbpress infrastructure so I'm sure things can be improved (I'm interested in this regardless on how or where the discussion will take place in the end…)
Sean Allred
@vermiculus
@cgnieder As we know from Word and friends, being well-known doesn't mean being the best tool for the job ;) I found it very difficult to add terse formatting from my keyboard. One of the reasons I'm a big fan of markdown is because markdown-styled text is simple to read while composing and provides all the markup elements you'll reasonably use with accessible syntax.
@cgnieder Hehehey, look at that. Can you join this room? https://gitter.im/vermiculus/texample/best-place-for-discussion
Clemens Niederberger
@cgnieder
@vermiculus Ah so you don't like BBCode and similar tags? That has nothing to do with the forum infrastructure, though
Sean Allred
@vermiculus
I set it 'private', but I think that means anyone in this room can join
Clemens Niederberger
@cgnieder
@vermiculus yet another chat room? yet another place to discuss? :(
Sean Allred
@vermiculus
@cgnieder You wanted a subforum :P
That emoticon is far jollier than I intended it to be.
The channel is still owned by this room.
I'm frankly not seeing the difference between a new channel here and a new forum there.
(Except my usability notes, which I'm hesitant to post now because I'm not sure where you want them.)
Clemens Niederberger
@cgnieder
@vermiculus I don't want one, I want ten, twenty, … and one place which is like a table of contents so I can quickly see all open topics to be discussed :)
Sean Allred
@vermiculus
@cgnieder There's a way to list channels under a room in the API – I'm sure there's an implementation of that here.
I've asked on Twitter.
Clemens Niederberger
@cgnieder
@vermiculus »well known« was the wrong wording: as far as I know it's the best maintained and developed forum software for WP I've come across so far. I'm not trying to convince you anymore, though :) You don't like forums for discussion, I don't like chats. I've made my point clear and you yours so let's wait what others have to say and then the majority decides.
Sean Allred
@vermiculus
@cgnieder probably best :)
johannesbottcher
@johannesbottcher
As Barbara Beeton was one of the first users i came across taking an interest in improving the current situation (templates and get users started easily) many months ago, i'd really like to hear her input. As far as i know, she wanted to have the discussion in Darmstadt first, taking all needed measures afterwards. Somehow, the whole deal got a bit out of hand too quickly and hence went chaotic. I suggest to pace ourselves, defer all serious discussion (best preactice, licensing, finding a nomenclature etc.) till everything is set up. For me, this is a project i take seriously and there is no use in starting off quickly and fading away.
Sean Allred
@vermiculus
@johannesbottcher Sounds wise. I really wish I could have gone to Darmstadt!
johannesbottcher
@johannesbottcher
I guess we all realize, that the whole thing will be a never ending story. The current situation has a long tradition, we have to introduce changes bit by bit anyway.

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test *Ah, nice, i can make a paragraph to structure my message and keep my points closely together.

Sean Allred
@vermiculus
@johannesbottcher test passed
@johannesbottcher "A project that does not change over time is dead."
johannesbottcher
@johannesbottcher
@Sean How can i permalink one specific comment?
Sean Allred
@vermiculus
@johannesbottcher Click the time
That changes the URL
johannesbottcher
@johannesbottcher
@vermiculus Thanks, i did not notice the url changing :- )
Sean Allred
@vermiculus
@johannesbottcher Easy to miss – it's something gitter could do better (though I have no useful suggestions for how) :)
Sean Allred
@vermiculus

@johannesbottcher

I suggest to pace ourselves, defer all serious discussion (best practice, licensing, finding a nomenclature etc.) till everything is set up. For me, this is a project i take seriously and there is no use in starting off quickly and fading away.

Should this preclude opening questions (e.g. #2, #3)? I kinda acted before I thought with those, though I do think having ready questions to pick from for conversation is useful.