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Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
Oh the possibilities!
Steve Faulkner
@stevefaulkner
only non abstract roles are conforming
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
Ahw :(
WHoops
“Authors MUST NOT use abstract roles in content.”
I guess I could propose a “your” and “boat” role tonight during PF :P
Not sure what they should map to
zakim-robot
@zakim-robot
[jitendra, a11y] @callumacrae: this is new. thanks
Mallory
@StommePoes
@MichielBijl yeah I saw the naming thing, Heydon and I were bitching about "wtf is a combobox anyway"
And we have that same guideline in our ARIA section in some developer-rules pages, "don't use abstract roles". I had to then go look up what an abstract role was.
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
@stevefaulkner which iOS version did you test on?
It says prior, but not prior to what.
Mallory
@StommePoes
@stevefaulkner just posted a comment on the paciello blog, Orca ran for a hot minute (then I ctrl-C'd it off in the terminal and haven't been able to get it speaking again, prolly need a reboot :( and it understands switch role with firefox 41 :)
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
@StommePoes yeah I saw that.
Mallory
@StommePoes
goddamn I hate smilies, I need to remember to use anti-smiley spaces : (
Steve Faulkner
@stevefaulkner

@jitendra

If the a element has no href attribute, then the element represents a placeholder for where a link might otherwise have been placed, if it had been relevant, consisting of just the element's contents.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/semantics.html#the-a-element

Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
@StommePoes yeah there should be an option to turn those off
Steve Faulkner
@stevefaulkner
@StommePoes cool thanks
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
Especially the :) smiley; nobody smiles like that!
Mallory
@StommePoes
@Jitendra Yeah if you're going to do <a role="button">do stuff</a> and then you add in all the tabindex=0 and listen for spacebar... that's too much work. Be like Larry Wall: be Lazy! <button> ftw. And yeah, for something like a "read more/load more" on a lazy-loaded page where there's no JS, I have used buttons there too, because they do an action (even if the action results in a page refresh)
@Michiel psychokillers do
Steve Faulkner
@stevefaulkner
@stommePoes how does orca handle the main role tests?
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
@StommePoes how would you do a page refresh with a button if it doesn't have an event listener?
Mallory
@StommePoes
the main/landmark one? I think I have to reboot to test it, orca runs now in my processes but went silent on me :)
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
@stevefaulkner I tested with iOS 9.0.2 and no switch implemented yet.
zakim-robot
@zakim-robot
[jitendra, a11y] @storm - can you show an example?
Steve Faulkner
@stevefaulkner
@MichielBijl the update i have notmade yet is for ios 9.0.2
zakim-robot
@zakim-robot
[jitendra, a11y] I didn’t get how <button> can load a url when js is disabled
Mallory
@StommePoes
@michiel Well jitendra said there was a page refresh without, you could do it with an anchor pointing to the current page + extra info in the URL (for the moaR-info stuff), or you can make an HTML form with a button where the onsubmit is a GET to current page URL :P
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
@Michiel psychokillers do
I do not smile like that!
MichielBijl @MichielBijl still doesn't know how to properly quote in Gitter :x
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
Sounds plausible
Mallory
@StommePoes
@jitendra <buttons> don't do anything without JS if outside a form, but could refresh the page with a form. If the users are really going to another URL then <a href="new URL"> should be good
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
That was my point though, it sounds like an anchor.
Just not if you have JS enabled.
Mallory
@StommePoes
@jitendra you can also start with an anchor that goes somewhere without JS, and if user has JS, let JS turn the anchor into a button (still better to change it to HTML <button> than add a crapton of roles and listeners ot the anchor I think, but either way would work)
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
Mallory
@StommePoes
@Michiel <form method="get" action="current page URL"><input type="submit" value="KLIKKIE"></form> try it
Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
Oh I believe you :P
Mallory
@StommePoes
but so if it's really doing anchor-duty I'd do an anchor
zakim-robot
@zakim-robot
[jitendra, a11y] is this valid html ?
Mallory
@StommePoes
and if when JS is enabled it needs to be buttony, let JS turn it into a button onload
@jitendra my HTML? Yeah it should be valid in HTML5 (HTML4 needs a block child for the form around the input) but it's just a thingie that works, I wouldn't ever use it on a web page :P
arg smilies
I'll see if I can reboot and get Orca back up so I can test for steve
bbl
Steve Faulkner
@stevefaulkner

the main/landmark one? I think I have to reboot to test it, orca runs now in my processes but went silent on me :)

yup

Michiel Bijl
@MichielBijl
@MichielBijl the update i have notmade yet is for ios 9.0.2
Uhm
You have an update for the article?