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    Mindey
    @mindey
    Yey~
    Mindey
    @mindey
    So, as discussed, since main purpose of WeFindX, is to help world collectively define and pursue goals, this channel can serve as the primary channel, to discuss the collective goal setting. Actually, interestingly, "collective goal setting" is not exactly the same as "goal alignment", as described by AI safety research community (e.g., alignmentforum.,org, etc.) -- the former is generative (e.g., we together create goals that doesn't exist yet), and the latter is formative (e.g., we have some goals, that are different, and we try to make them aligned).
    Ruta
    @rutaio
    How do generative goals appear? Through conversation?
    How about we share visions, which combine goals, first? And everyone adjusts each other until we reach common visions, which spark projects.
    My vision is 'the world that is inclusive for the young, the old, the environment'. I imagine all countries having digital and physical infrastructure for trade and lifelong learning. Digital: Tools to share knowledge, know-how, money. Physical: Spaces for workshops, individual work, living.
    Mindey
    @mindey
    Sharing world visions, in order to make that goal combine-ment, as a purpose of this specific channel (visions)? I think that's good. Example: I had one of the visions before -- https://mindey.com/world.pdf :)
    Shall we use WorkFlowy to summarize all the things discussed on each of the channels? I think it would be great if that tree of topics discussed on each channel could be self-constructing.
    Ruta
    @rutaio
    Sharing world visions - yeah! Additionally to my vision above, I have questions which I welcome comments on: 'How do things fit with one another and with everything? How can we, humans, be (co-exist) within nature?' http://notes.ruta.io/ecosystems/
    YES for summaries on Workflowy
    that's knowledge creation, easy to spark projects and create prototypes then
    what do you mean "I think it would be great if that tree of topics discussed on each channel could be self-constructing." ?
    Mindey
    @mindey
    You know, we could name a lot of things, like universal insurance (globally), universally high quality food, etc. These are like part of what goals are described on infinity. However, obviously, chat is not the best form to discuss that at length. Probably later we can do that by properly mapping Infinity (inf.li) onto something like a hierarchical topics map. For now, I think, it makes sense to use the channel for sporadic discussions on things that we notice to matter, sharing the articles, and things like that.
    Among the visions, also pointing out https://wiki.mindey.com/future-jungle.html :)
    Ruta
    @rutaio
    let's do both - share thoughts and articles
    Mindey
    @mindey
    Added link for anyone to edit. :) (workflowy allows that!)
    Ruta
    @rutaio
    (will add that link to WFX site too! cool!)
    Mindey
    @mindey
    ^__^
    Ruta
    @rutaio
    Visions = Questions (partly) . Because we never know everything and define visions today with what we know now. So they are always questionable. That's how everyone can contribute/shape visions, which is great! That's 'goal alignment'.
    Ruta
    @rutaio
    When you're here, share your imagination and tell us 'What's your vision for the world?'
    Mindey
    @mindey
    Mindey, [08.03.19 15:33]
    (E.g., if you think of collectively setting goals, then you're aligning existing goals? Only if they are part of the process. But, collective goal setting can be without pre-existing goals (e.g., entities can decide to set collective goals, discuss and decide together what to achieve without necessarily assuming pre-existing goals.).)