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    Pat Owens
    @patowens
    @pomke that's ok. I was trying to say wholesome ads could be a breath of fresh air - when every other network is pushing rubbish. Ad revenue could benefit us, yeah, connecting christian business to people is an equal benefit
    Pomke
    @pomke
    How do you curate it though?
    When I worked at revver we had 7 people managing ad placement
    Pat Owens
    @patowens
    Not sure. Hard to do on mass
    Pomke
    @pomke
    On the lightfm thing, I was listening i nthe car because Leigh had it on, a couple of weeks ago. Two of the co-hosts had a discussion, the woman had gone to some store, 45 minutes from home, bought a few items, she got home and realised they had not charged her for one of them, and posed this whole 'oh noes, moral dilemma' thing as a talkback thing
    her question to the talkback audience was 'its 45 minutes away, I probably wouldnt be going back there, do I go back and pay for it or assume its a 'blessing from God'
    Damon Oehlman
    @DamonOehlman
    @pomke on the wages front that's pretty much parity with what I'm doing also (including the 2 kids at independent Christian school)
    I don't think I'd dive in right away though, so would be happy to support you guys in a part time capacity
    Pomke
    @pomke
    @DamonOehlman that would be awesome :)
    @patowens I mean, stuff like that kind of makes me a bit sick? turning something that even from a secular moral POV is pretty clear cut into a question of effort vs what is right, and in the end the male presenter saying stuff like 'Well who knows what's right anyway?'
    If you set up a public broadcasting business and then claim to be Christians I think its not unusual to expect that they could at least give out clear-cut advice and avoid trying to confuse people. that might be a bad example but lots of stuff they do kinda makes me feel uneasy
    I know I'm massively in the minority
    everyone loves lightFM
    sorry for my rant :(
    Damon Oehlman
    @DamonOehlman
    I do think that with a decentralised trust and information aggregation model, it is probably not quite right to overlay any kind of curated information feed over the top. Advertising is prime example, and I think the suggested causes is ok (but would need to be monitored, and ideally algorithmically derived)
    Pat Owens
    @patowens
    Thats ok. That sounds out of tune to what we're hearing, but i think they get it right a lot of the time which is good.
    Pomke
    @pomke
    I wouldn't suggest causes at all, I would make the entire cause thing a trust-chain. You see a cause because you are my friend and I published it. If you boost that, it goes to your friends and circles (depending who you boost it to).
    Because you can't then come along and rip people off
    Damon Oehlman
    @DamonOehlman
    sounds ideal to me
    Pomke
    @pomke
    The ripple-out effect is in proportion to the average christian's judgement on how important it is
    And it means no one organisation can dominate the platform
    I really think every cause should have a cap too
    perhaps its a soft-cap
    but this isn't kickstarter
    Damon Oehlman
    @DamonOehlman
    overflow cause
    Pomke
    @pomke
    we don't want one lady with a sick kid to suddenly have 50 million dollars
    because the little girl was especially cute
    yea
    well, I think a cause can def. have stretch goals :)
    'we need 4k to build a well', 'if we make it to 8k we can pipe water to the town', 'if we make it to 12k we can provide water for the surrounding towns via water carts'
    I think the world needs more smaller, focused causes and less world-visions (not that we dont also need the big organisations) I just think a lot of the little people miss out
    kinda like how prostate cancer research is starved for funding while breast cancer is , because it's easier to sell breasts than prostates x_x
    gitter ate my
    $\$\$\$
    o.O
    Pomke
    @pomke
    @DamonOehlman I'm looking at using rethinkDB because it has a neat pubsub feature built ontop of queries, so watching a currently logged in user's messages is easy, then stream them via websockets.
    Not sure if you've experimented much with that
    I'd probably just use the same DB to prototype the rest of the app too, then perhaps move most stuff other than feeds out to maybe sharded postgres
    does that sound reasonable?
    https://hudson-taylor.github.io/ is an SOA/microservices framework I wrote (which someoneweird has been going to town adding features to) which I'm thinking of using, having isolated services for major components, they can feasibly have their own data-stores
    Damon Oehlman
    @DamonOehlman
    I love pubsub features, but I haven't experimented with rethinkDB yet
    taking a look at HT now
    Pomke
    @pomke
    So the service that a user connects to via websocket, can then connect directly to that user's rethinkDB 'feed' of posts/messages. but posts themselves can live of in a 'posts' service that does other stuff
    It needs documentation :/ the website is something s1w put up, there should be more examples in the readme
    Damon Oehlman
    @DamonOehlman
    yep, I quickly made my way to github :)
    Pomke
    @pomke
    :D
    jason-persson
    @jason-persson
    Hi all, I've skimmed through the message log above, so is yownah a christian oriented social network? Trying to understand exactly what it is, to help me work out if I want to be involved.
    Damon Oehlman
    @DamonOehlman
    @jason-persson I think if I understand @pomke's vision accurately, it's that crossed with Kiva
    Pomke
    @pomke
    sorry I've been offline all morning